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  <title>Sauce Wars: Racism or not racism?</title>
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  <description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/scotlands-sauce-wars-charge-for-ketchup-in-edinburgh-leaves-customer-from-glasgow-with-chip-on-shoulder-8786768.html&quot;&gt;http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/news/scotlands-sauce-wars-charge-for-ketchup-in-edinburgh-leaves-customer-from-glasgow-with-chip-on-shoulder-8786768.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Apparently Edinburgh normally eats chips with some sort of sauce, whereas Glasgow normally eats chips with ketchup.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A little while back, there was a fuss when an Edinburgh chip-shop proprietor had a bright idea to deliberately piss off Glaswegians by making fun of what they eat, and started charging a nominal amount for ketchup (but not sauce). Shortly, a peeved Glaswegian complained to the press that he felt racially persecuted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, most people agreed this particular example didn&apos;t matter much either way. But that bothered me, because I thought it was very &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; many things that were unarguably illegal racial prejudice, and I thought it was important to try understand the difference, to be able to make such decisions more accurately when they _do_ matter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; doesn&apos;t it matter?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;If it costs 25p more to make...&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, if. If it actually DOES cost more, then that&apos;s ok. But it&apos;s clear it doesn&apos;t, he just charged more because he wanted to make a humorous point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;Glaswegian isn&apos;t a race&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No. Discrimination against people because of their ethnicity, culture, religion, nationality, or non-country region of origin or domicile is bad for exactly the same reasons as racism, whether or not you think it ought to have a different word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;It&apos;s just Glasgow, it&apos;s not like they were discriminating against [foreign nationality]&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not this alone. Discriminating against people from a UK city is certainly less common and hence less of an overall problem than discriminating against people for a foreign nationality, but AFAIK the general moral and legal principle is that you shouldn&apos;t discriminate against &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; nationality, just in case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After all, if someone were not hired because of which city they came from, that would be a plainly legitimate complaint.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;It&apos;s just 25p!&quot;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, not by itself. If someone charged women 25p more for the same meal, that wouldn&apos;t be ok, even if the actual hardship were only small.[1]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;OK, a combination of &quot;against a normally non-marginalised group&quot; and &quot;only a very small inconvenience&quot; &quot;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think this is the only sensible conclusion. I&apos;ve a feeling it probably &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; illegal, but as long as it&apos;s not causing widespread problem, it&apos;s probably sufficiently low down it&apos;s better just to ignore it. There are plenty of other cases where equality legislation probably should be used but isn&apos;t that should get first dibs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[1] Come to think of it, how do clubs and dating sites get away with saying &quot;women free entry&quot;? It&apos;s not a big injustice, but I wonder why it&apos;s legal -- if there&apos;s a clause allowing discrimination in the non-prevailing direction, or if everyone just agrees not to make a fuss about it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;https://www.dreamwidth.org/tools/commentcount?user=jack&amp;ditemid=861047&quot; width=&quot;30&quot; height=&quot;12&quot; alt=&quot;comment count unavailable&quot; style=&quot;vertical-align: middle;&quot;/&gt; comments</description>
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