Stellaris 229x, Part II
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Building territory closer to the Theocratic Molluscfoxes suddenly made them that much more receptive to several of my diplomatic overtures. I don't know if I could have achieved the same by pumping their opinion with temporary advantageous trade deals or not.
Including the one I was most excited about, forming a federation!
That might or might not be sensible. It can make it harder to reach a winning condition if the other empires aren't interested in expanding enough. But it just sooooooo fit the concept of my species I just had to do it.
Just joining a federation was really cute. Now all of our combined territory went gold, not just mine. And their ships went from yellow neutral to blue allied. And I can see most of their territory. And they have a much greater positive opinion of me!
Apparently being next to them also let me have more reasons to declare war on them if I wanted, but I didn't.
Unfortunately, the twitchy friendly other-spiritualist-empire who had *originally* been explicitly federation builders, still weren't positive enough to join the federation. I wasn't sure if I'd need to repeat the moving-my-borders-closer trick.
Fortunately, a couple of years later, the Tardigrade-Foxes offered them membership and they accepted! They were a fair bit stronger than either of us at that point, so having both other empires on board made me feel a lot more secure. Even together we don't out-threaten the other major empires, but hopefully we're comparable enough the previously-friendly now-hostile Romulizards will not dare declare war on me.
Anyway, WOOO! GO US! WE FORMED A FEDERATION!
The Legion Eagles, who were especially xenophobic even by the standards of the other militaristic empires (but not as bad as the Banthurian Reavers who look harmless but want to kill everyone) then wanted to join with associate status. Then they resigned. Then they came crawling back. I'm not sure what was going on with them. I hope they make up their mind.
That also helps a little with one specific mission. My scientists particularly wanted to study specimens of fauna from six specific worlds round the galaxy. They were all incredibly dangerous, *obviously*. But not so dangerous they threatened a whole space ship. I was lucky half of them were in my borders, and the others could be reached from fairly friendly empires who had open borders to me. But one was in the Parroteagles' territory.
Previously that was unreachable as they really didn't like me (or anyone, other than stronger empires they could get something from). But when the Flatworm Lizards' resentment of my controlling any territory that they wanted outweighed their mild tolerance of me and they started a rivalry with me, that suddenly made the Death Parrots -- already in somewhat dire straights between two stronger empires -- like me a lot more.
So the good news is, whether they join the federation or not (and I'm not sure I want them as a full member, I don't trust them, whereas the other two and I seem to have more aligned interests), I can access their borders to complete this fauna research mission. The bad news is, they're completely blocked off on both sides by empires who won't let me through. Oh well, eventually there'll be a war, and if not, I'll eventually outpace everyone with research somehow.
The Furry Klingons now quite like me -- mostly because I'm closer, I think. Unfortunately, they have a long border with the Theocratic Foxes and they've rivalled each other, so I don't know if I can talk them into a federation. But at least they're not blocking *my* ships any more. Fingers crossed for more productive diplomacy in future.
Irassian Homeworld!
Also, I finally found enough relics to locate the Irassian homeworld. That came with a giant bonanza of resources (3k unity, after scaling for my current overhead, 2k minerals, and 500 physics research), and a system with several great resource deposits in.
A bit later in the game that might not be as overwhelming, but right now it's very very welcome :)
And science ships don't spend much resources researching that sort of thing -- just a lot of time. So it was probably good I pursued it, even if my main motivation was interest.
I'm not sure if there's anything more to discover or if that's the end of the story.
ETA: I discovered the Irassian homeworld right near my core worlds. Apparently some people have it spawn on the other side of the map. I'm not sure if they changed it to be more generous or if I was just pretty lucky.
Building territory closer to the Theocratic Molluscfoxes suddenly made them that much more receptive to several of my diplomatic overtures. I don't know if I could have achieved the same by pumping their opinion with temporary advantageous trade deals or not.
Including the one I was most excited about, forming a federation!
That might or might not be sensible. It can make it harder to reach a winning condition if the other empires aren't interested in expanding enough. But it just sooooooo fit the concept of my species I just had to do it.
Just joining a federation was really cute. Now all of our combined territory went gold, not just mine. And their ships went from yellow neutral to blue allied. And I can see most of their territory. And they have a much greater positive opinion of me!
Apparently being next to them also let me have more reasons to declare war on them if I wanted, but I didn't.
Unfortunately, the twitchy friendly other-spiritualist-empire who had *originally* been explicitly federation builders, still weren't positive enough to join the federation. I wasn't sure if I'd need to repeat the moving-my-borders-closer trick.
Fortunately, a couple of years later, the Tardigrade-Foxes offered them membership and they accepted! They were a fair bit stronger than either of us at that point, so having both other empires on board made me feel a lot more secure. Even together we don't out-threaten the other major empires, but hopefully we're comparable enough the previously-friendly now-hostile Romulizards will not dare declare war on me.
Anyway, WOOO! GO US! WE FORMED A FEDERATION!
The Legion Eagles, who were especially xenophobic even by the standards of the other militaristic empires (but not as bad as the Banthurian Reavers who look harmless but want to kill everyone) then wanted to join with associate status. Then they resigned. Then they came crawling back. I'm not sure what was going on with them. I hope they make up their mind.
That also helps a little with one specific mission. My scientists particularly wanted to study specimens of fauna from six specific worlds round the galaxy. They were all incredibly dangerous, *obviously*. But not so dangerous they threatened a whole space ship. I was lucky half of them were in my borders, and the others could be reached from fairly friendly empires who had open borders to me. But one was in the Parroteagles' territory.
Previously that was unreachable as they really didn't like me (or anyone, other than stronger empires they could get something from). But when the Flatworm Lizards' resentment of my controlling any territory that they wanted outweighed their mild tolerance of me and they started a rivalry with me, that suddenly made the Death Parrots -- already in somewhat dire straights between two stronger empires -- like me a lot more.
So the good news is, whether they join the federation or not (and I'm not sure I want them as a full member, I don't trust them, whereas the other two and I seem to have more aligned interests), I can access their borders to complete this fauna research mission. The bad news is, they're completely blocked off on both sides by empires who won't let me through. Oh well, eventually there'll be a war, and if not, I'll eventually outpace everyone with research somehow.
The Furry Klingons now quite like me -- mostly because I'm closer, I think. Unfortunately, they have a long border with the Theocratic Foxes and they've rivalled each other, so I don't know if I can talk them into a federation. But at least they're not blocking *my* ships any more. Fingers crossed for more productive diplomacy in future.
Irassian Homeworld!
Also, I finally found enough relics to locate the Irassian homeworld. That came with a giant bonanza of resources (3k unity, after scaling for my current overhead, 2k minerals, and 500 physics research), and a system with several great resource deposits in.
A bit later in the game that might not be as overwhelming, but right now it's very very welcome :)
And science ships don't spend much resources researching that sort of thing -- just a lot of time. So it was probably good I pursued it, even if my main motivation was interest.
I'm not sure if there's anything more to discover or if that's the end of the story.
ETA: I discovered the Irassian homeworld right near my core worlds. Apparently some people have it spawn on the other side of the map. I'm not sure if they changed it to be more generous or if I was just pretty lucky.