Stellaris - 2300-2310 other thinga
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Inconveniently the federation leadership rotated just before the war so I couldn't directly use the federation fleet in the war. I was worried my allies wouldn't help at all, but they did obligingly turn up, even if I haven't mastered the trick of cajoling them into the most useful places.
I wasn't sure where the federation ships I'd build had gone. I think what happened is that when the federation leadership rotated, the next president recalled the fleet to their homeworld (annoyingly with fungus war iii building, but understandable with the banthurian reavers on *their* frontier). But the direct route was blocked by the funguses, so the recall turned into the "disappear off the map, dead reckon navigate off the usual lanes until you reappear at home" mechanic used to make sure your ships never get stranded (even if you can't usually use this to send ships out somewhere).
Ah, good! The Ick-Ick-Ick Bug Block, one of the friendlier non-pacifist empires, has a reasonably good opinion of me, but is too far away to be tempted by my offer of federation associate status. But they *did* accept an offer from my larger ally. That's very positive. I'm not sure if I want them in the federation or not -- once you incorporate species with a wider range of politics, it's excellent defensively, but very hard to do anything proactive.
But having the equivalent of a defensive pact is great, because they like me, aren't offended if I build up to their borders, and if they get attacked gives me the opportunity to prosecute a defensive war (i.e. I can gain systems not only forcibly convert governments to pacifism.)
Apparently they *won't* join the federation anyway because they have a lingering beef with one of my allies. I guess, a rivalry or claims left over from previous border skirmishes? But for whatever reason that didn't stop my ally inviting them to associate status or their agreeing.
Right now I'm happy with the status quo, if the galaxy is 60% my people and 40% empires who are happy to peacefully coexist, I feel like things turned out pretty well! But in the future, I hope things will eventually resolve themselves more positively - either I'll one day get runaway science advantage and be able to vassilise friendly-ish empires when I get sufficiently superior to them, or ongoing peace and trade will increase empires' opinion of each other (or shift other empires towards pacifism) to the point where they're willing to cooperate.
Other 'diplomacy'
On the other side, I've had some back and forth with the Centipomulans and the Ferengeagles. The Centipomulans used to like me, but got all bent out of shape when they wanted to expand and I was in the way, declared me a rival, and then started to hate me more and more.
I declared them a rival back to get some advantage from the situation. My main hope was that they wouldn't attack me until I'd resolved the fungus situation, as they were stronger than me and I probably couldn't face them head on, only by sneaking around their fleets to attack other things.
Fortunately they didn't, in fact, they changed their mind and UN-rivalled me. I've no idea why, unless joining a federation put the wind up them, militaristic-bullies-wise. And I just had to hastily un-rival them myself before I made matters worse!
However, despite all my resentment and worry about the situation, it turned out amazingly well. In fact, SO well I wonder if there were some sort of time travel shenanigans that arranged it, on top of my save-scumming :)
They basically hated me for ten years, then went back to liking me. But when they rivalled me, the Ferengeagles (militaristic fanatic authoritarians) who'd been having the shit kicked out of them by the less-vile-but-pretty-fierce Centipomulans and another similar empire on the other side of them, suddenly decided that maybe they liked me after all, now they were desperate and I was being rivalled by their enemies.
That let me pump up their opinion of me, which will hopefully survive the un-rivalling of the Centipomulans. They dithered about associating with the federation -- first they asked to join, then they withdrew, then they came crawling back...
But eventually I ended up with open borders from both which FINALLY let me find the last of six dangerous wildlife species from different planets all over the galaxy, which my scientists had been clamouring for me to research for ages.
Pirates
I blocked off my one remaining empire hole just in time to stave off pirates spawning there. Instead they spawned way off where I had a system with a couple of dead ends off it. If they confine themselves to systems where I have planets and starbases but no mining stations I guess I can mostly ignore them :) But now the war is over, I can deal with them easily enough, now they're weaker than my main fleet and there's only one set spawned so far.
In fact, I wonder if I should arrange to have a pirate-friendly system somewhere near where my fleet can blockade it, so I can easily destroy them when they appear.
Inconveniently the federation leadership rotated just before the war so I couldn't directly use the federation fleet in the war. I was worried my allies wouldn't help at all, but they did obligingly turn up, even if I haven't mastered the trick of cajoling them into the most useful places.
I wasn't sure where the federation ships I'd build had gone. I think what happened is that when the federation leadership rotated, the next president recalled the fleet to their homeworld (annoyingly with fungus war iii building, but understandable with the banthurian reavers on *their* frontier). But the direct route was blocked by the funguses, so the recall turned into the "disappear off the map, dead reckon navigate off the usual lanes until you reappear at home" mechanic used to make sure your ships never get stranded (even if you can't usually use this to send ships out somewhere).
Ah, good! The Ick-Ick-Ick Bug Block, one of the friendlier non-pacifist empires, has a reasonably good opinion of me, but is too far away to be tempted by my offer of federation associate status. But they *did* accept an offer from my larger ally. That's very positive. I'm not sure if I want them in the federation or not -- once you incorporate species with a wider range of politics, it's excellent defensively, but very hard to do anything proactive.
But having the equivalent of a defensive pact is great, because they like me, aren't offended if I build up to their borders, and if they get attacked gives me the opportunity to prosecute a defensive war (i.e. I can gain systems not only forcibly convert governments to pacifism.)
Apparently they *won't* join the federation anyway because they have a lingering beef with one of my allies. I guess, a rivalry or claims left over from previous border skirmishes? But for whatever reason that didn't stop my ally inviting them to associate status or their agreeing.
Right now I'm happy with the status quo, if the galaxy is 60% my people and 40% empires who are happy to peacefully coexist, I feel like things turned out pretty well! But in the future, I hope things will eventually resolve themselves more positively - either I'll one day get runaway science advantage and be able to vassilise friendly-ish empires when I get sufficiently superior to them, or ongoing peace and trade will increase empires' opinion of each other (or shift other empires towards pacifism) to the point where they're willing to cooperate.
Other 'diplomacy'
On the other side, I've had some back and forth with the Centipomulans and the Ferengeagles. The Centipomulans used to like me, but got all bent out of shape when they wanted to expand and I was in the way, declared me a rival, and then started to hate me more and more.
I declared them a rival back to get some advantage from the situation. My main hope was that they wouldn't attack me until I'd resolved the fungus situation, as they were stronger than me and I probably couldn't face them head on, only by sneaking around their fleets to attack other things.
Fortunately they didn't, in fact, they changed their mind and UN-rivalled me. I've no idea why, unless joining a federation put the wind up them, militaristic-bullies-wise. And I just had to hastily un-rival them myself before I made matters worse!
However, despite all my resentment and worry about the situation, it turned out amazingly well. In fact, SO well I wonder if there were some sort of time travel shenanigans that arranged it, on top of my save-scumming :)
They basically hated me for ten years, then went back to liking me. But when they rivalled me, the Ferengeagles (militaristic fanatic authoritarians) who'd been having the shit kicked out of them by the less-vile-but-pretty-fierce Centipomulans and another similar empire on the other side of them, suddenly decided that maybe they liked me after all, now they were desperate and I was being rivalled by their enemies.
That let me pump up their opinion of me, which will hopefully survive the un-rivalling of the Centipomulans. They dithered about associating with the federation -- first they asked to join, then they withdrew, then they came crawling back...
But eventually I ended up with open borders from both which FINALLY let me find the last of six dangerous wildlife species from different planets all over the galaxy, which my scientists had been clamouring for me to research for ages.
Pirates
I blocked off my one remaining empire hole just in time to stave off pirates spawning there. Instead they spawned way off where I had a system with a couple of dead ends off it. If they confine themselves to systems where I have planets and starbases but no mining stations I guess I can mostly ignore them :) But now the war is over, I can deal with them easily enough, now they're weaker than my main fleet and there's only one set spawned so far.
In fact, I wonder if I should arrange to have a pirate-friendly system somewhere near where my fleet can blockade it, so I can easily destroy them when they appear.