Going Dutch

Oct. 5th, 2005 01:23 pm
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http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/301

Apparently, we just had the first three-person civil union in the Netherlands. Unfortunately, pretty much all google can produce is foreign language pages (dutch) and extreme-right-wing rants than they told us so (double dutch), all apparently from a single source somewhere.

If it works, I presume they'd have to:

You designate next-of-kin order, or people fight it out like multiple parents/siblings.
You have a 'primary' who gets benefits you only get one of.
Two people have to be primary for children.
Spousal employment perks, etc, will be decided in nasty case law battles
Wills would be useful.
Etc.

But I couldn't actually find any information, just "Polygamy, woo!" or "Polygamy, yuk[1]!". Does anyone know more?

PS. Thanks to Naath for bringing this to our attention. And apologies for saying it'd never happen.

[1] Lower mammals *were* mentioned as the new 'worst possible bottom of the slope' :)

Date: 2005-10-05 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
Sticking the article into Bablefish is both amusing and informative. It appears they've entered into a cohabitation agreement, (which is mentioned further down the passage as something students can do). The "This would be legal if we were in Morocco" is interesting though...

"According to the law is not possible, but for the triad it feels as a real marriage. They signed a cohabitation agreement at the notary. The bruidegom in costume, is two women in bride dress. The trouwringen in the attack. Notary Lugtenberg Roosendaal had this way its objections, but left Victor the Bruijn (46), its woman Bianca Mirjam the Bruijn (31) and their common girlfriend yesterday nevertheless gives (35) the cohabitation agreement to sign. , for our feeling we marry, ' ' Victor said after the particular moment. , I hou van Bianca and of Mirjam. This is our accidentally happens.' ' Family and friends, invited for at home, shared the etentje at the Greek and the sociable evening in joy. But everyone did not stand jump at the decision of the trio to seal the obligation with a cohabitation agreement. Thus Sgp-Kamerlid of of the Staaij put ask to minister Donner (justice). the step of the three sneak routes on gone to polygamy, or veelwijverij. , if a man cohabits at authenticated acte with two women, with which lives he then together according to the law?' ' wonders itself of of the Staaij. The SGP'er request the minister dissolve the contract still. , this is the largest rubbish which I have heard, ' ' reacts the Bruijn. , for the law we cannot marry. Only in Morocco, but that is not accepted in the Netherlands. Nevertheless we wanted something official and how we that live personally lie to onszelf. Students who cohabit can establish also a contract.' ' Victor the Bruijn and its woman learned the separated Mirjam spend middelburg 2.5 year suffered to know by means of chatbox on Internet. Two months later withdrew them at the couple. The trio bought a large bed and is since then inseparable. , we belong simply to each other and it is not only for the sex, ' ' Victor say. , jealousy plays no role, because Bianca and Mirjam are bisexual. With two heterovrouwen it had been more difficult.' ' Itself considers them therefore the cohabitation agreement as a marriage. Notais Lugtenberg doubted if he adopt the three as a customer savages. , I can refuse, but I found no weighty reasons.' ' Victor and are two women are glad that they have taken the step. , it is for our important and what finds others there of does not determine us."

Date: 2005-10-05 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Gah. *headdesk*

OK, looking at this (http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:t_E4ny0G720J:www.justitie.nl/english/Images/marriage_registered_tcm75-28560.pdf) it seems they have marriage, registered partnerships, which are mostly like marriage, and cohabitation agreements, which is a normal contract drawn up with a notary in a fairly straightforward fasion between any people living together to establish what obligations they have to each other, but is almost entirely only between each other.

Cohabitation Agreements sound like an incredably sensible idea. In fact, marriage + a cohabitation agreement *is* *nearly* a primary marriage and a secondary one, but a very secondary one. But isn't government recognition. And that's what they did here.

Date: 2005-10-05 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captain-aj.livejournal.com
Ooh, I like right-wing rants! Before I google, I'll go have a guess at the content;
"This will destroy the institution of straight one-to-one marriage"
"This is a slippery slope to legalising bestiality and paedophilia"
"JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS JESUS"
and a poke at the more respectable area of right-wing politics;
"This will be bad for the economy and only increases welfare payments" ;-)

Date: 2005-10-05 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com
You forgot abortion.

Date: 2005-10-05 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
This will destroy the institution of straight one-to-one marriage

LOL. No, more like "This has destroyed the institution of straight one-to-one marriage" :)

Date: 2005-10-05 12:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] senji.livejournal.com
Who gets the second-best bed?

Date: 2005-10-05 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Apparently, the man was straight and the women were bi, so it is a tricky. You'd really need three beds to start with...

Date: 2005-10-05 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
They all have One Huge Bed. No, really :)

Date: 2005-10-05 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I'm not convinced not having *any* space all of your own is completely the best idea in a *two*-person relationship. Oh well, best of luck to them.

Date: 2005-10-05 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yrieithydd.livejournal.com
The Ship of Fools thread on this subject began with a link to this article

Date: 2005-10-05 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
It looks like that article is cribbed from the Brussels Journal one. With little evidence I hypothesise that the Brussels Journal article wrote this without quite checking the facts, and then a lot of english language news services picked it up...

What did people think on SoF?

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