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"The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time[1]" by Mark Haddon

This is a great book. Read it now :) It's technically children's book, told from the point of a teenage boy with Asperger's[2] Syndrome. It's not very long, but gripping all the way through, partly because of the slightly simple style.

It does a wonderful job of making the problem seem PART of him, not just something tacked on, but all the same, a part he wished he didn't have. And he's intellegent and brave despite or with it, not a victim. One part that nearly made me cry is when he's explaining how he counts cars. If he sees four red cars on his way to school, it's a bad day, and he might not speak, and not eat lunch. It he sees four yellow, it's a good day. His teacher asks him why a rational boy like him does this, and he says that office works think it's a good day when the sun shines, even though they're inside. His way is less arbitrary than that. It's *understandable* yet also *tragic*.

The other thing is that a lot of the things he does I see in a less extreme form elsewhere. I have been slightly excessive. His habit of including all the associated information even if not really useful I thought was an endearing trait in, say, Cryptonomicon, but here you can see it taken more to an extreme, and how it must be awful *having* to do that. In fact, a lot of the traits geeks share, just nowhere near as much (eg. he repeatedly doubles in his head to calm donwn - who hasn't, if not as *far* as him :)).

And the plot isn't as simple as you might think from the first few pages, and Christopher succeeds in the end with and despite his problems. Has anyone else read it?

[1] Should "time" be capitalized?
[2] Though as someone on another message-board put it: "Couldn't they have found a name, for a disease that'll get kids teased a lot *anyway*, that doesn't look like it should be pronounced 'Ass-burger's'"

PS. Discworld fic should be finished any day now. Anyone have a good generic title involving the guards or death?

Date: 2004-08-25 11:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theinquisitor.livejournal.com
I wasn't all that taken with it. The writing style was both novel and interesting, but ultimately, it worsened the book for me. I'd probably have enjoyed it more as a short story.

Date: 2004-08-25 11:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Hmm. I wonder if it says anything about the people who liked it. Or if it's just taste.

Date: 2004-08-25 11:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
DEAD DOG. SQUICK. *shudder*.

Oh, have you seen this?

(Just reminded me of it)

Date: 2004-08-25 11:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Ah, yes. That is amusing. Except that when it was first told to me, they started with "This is a question about psychotics," so I just gave the obvious answer OF WHY THE PSYCHOTIC WOMAN would have killed her sister, and they interpreted this to mean that's what I'd do, and have been scared of me ever since. Mwahaha.

Date: 2004-08-25 11:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
Well, the thing is, people I've talked to---that interpretation didn't *occur* to them, even as a really stupid idea... Maybe being told to think about psychotics helps?

Date: 2004-08-25 12:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Hmm. Good point. Everyone else I asked said that interpretation had occured to them, but they hadn't said it because it would have looked bad.

I think I am and have friends that are weird...

Date: 2004-08-28 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
It didn't cross my mind. Still, I was thinking in a "Jack and Jill" type way, and coming up with reasons like "because he was he sisters husband" etc

Date: 2004-08-28 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
*thinks* Aha! I think my getting it might be related to having seen Four Weddings and a Funeral shortly before...

Date: 2004-08-25 11:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
of course, that means you /can/ think like a psychotic person, when you try :-)

Date: 2004-08-25 12:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Does that make me empathic? Psychotic? Intellegent? Does it matter if I can, if I don't, or if I want to, if I can't, and is there a difference between being able to, wanting to, and doing? And do you promise not to tell my housemates this?

Date: 2004-08-25 12:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
Somewhere I read that that test was used to find people who can think like psychotics, so that they could work for the FBI or somewhere as they would have a better idea of what people might be doing after killing people, or something.

And later some article in a paper saying had they had more people with twisted minds working there or for the CIA, they might have put the available evidence together and come up with Sept 11th *before* it happens.

So it matters if you want that kind of a job :-)

I think the victims(' families) would say there's a difference between doing and not doing :)

If I meet your housemates, I'll be sure to tell them.

Everyone else I asked said that interpretation had occured to them, but they hadn't said it because it would have looked bad.

Well, that's what I thought --- though not that it would look bad, just that it couldn't be the right answer. But I was told I'm odd to have /thought/ of it at all.

Date: 2004-08-25 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
My response to that post really shouldn't be "I like the (' constuctruction" but...

I thought they had realised Sept 11th was possible, but no-one did anything about it?

It's like those stories about hackers who get hired as gamekeepers.

Maybe I *should* be worried. Did some people really *not* see that answer at all?

Date: 2004-08-25 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
So they *say*.

Date: 2004-08-25 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
I should attempt to reply to posts all at once...

I read the front of the paper in the cl one friday recently in which it said the thing about psychos and sept 11, and I don't know the details. I'm sure there are whole books about it by now, though I can't remember seeing any.

Date: 2004-08-26 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
Do you have it? Because now I want to read it... but am out of book buying cash.

Date: 2004-08-26 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theinquisitor.livejournal.com
No, it's my mum's copy.

Date: 2004-08-26 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
My mum's too funily enough. I might be able to borrow it... But you might as well go and read it in border's: it's pretty short :)

Date: 2004-08-28 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
I have it in Cam, if that helps.