Jul. 30th, 2007

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Rest in Piece, Ingmar Bergman.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2137786,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seventh_Seal

I hope that if there is a death, he has as robust a sense of humour as we hope.
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So, is it artistic or is it just pretentious?

And at what point can I offer an authoritative opinion on that? There are certainly books I thought were just pretentious at the time, but later decided were clever, and conversely books that at the time I thought were clever and later decided were overlaying interesting cliche ideas with a veneer of looking-clever.

(Please, someone provide examples, none come to mind.)

What makes a movie seem clever? I can think of three aspects:
* Saying something complicated (eg. Memento)
* Creating a sense of mystery (eg. Lost)
* Throwing together a lot of random shit and expecting the audience to put it together. (Naming no names)

Of course, #3 can support either #2 or #1. The difference is, if #2 is what you want, then that's what #3 gives it. But basing #1 on #3 is basically cheating -- people are saying "Well, I didn't understand it, and other movies I didn't understand were doing something really clever."

So, #2 is a skill. But if you spend four seasons dragging things out by pretending there's a big overarching plot the audience are supposed to work out, and then wrap it up in a lame get-out, people can be bitter. You can legitimately claim such a thing is "beautiful", but I don't think it qualifies for "clever" in the same way #1 does.

Eg. I think people forget how good Matrix 1 really was. Philosophically it had one really simple message "we could be living in a matrix". And it explained that well -- they discussed and showed implications of it, and just before you're told that, you should in theory be able to work it out. Matrix 2 and 3 *tried* to do that with predestination, but just made up mystical sounding bullshit.

Eg. Babylon 5 always had something mysterious going on. But you kept finding out more and going "aha". Whereas I'm assured X-files descended into pretending you were going to find out more, but was actually just a string of randomly chosen clues to give the impression there was somewhere to go.

Eg. A mystery novel. If it's done well, the true answer is the only possible answer. If it's done badly, you just string a lot of random clues together and assert there's only one solution, without that being in any way deducible.

Eg. Hyperion. The sequel does a *quite* good job of explaining the mysteries. But the true strength is in the mysteries of the first novel -- they'd have the same impact whether they had resolutions or not.

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