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Most of the social groups I frequent have some such phrase. In theory you could just pass them by, but generally speaking no-one can resist. But there's an amazing variety. It's important regardless of what the actual phrase is, because so many sentences inherently innocent, become amusingly dodgy simply by putting them in a place where people do that to them. So to speak.

I was going to give them letter scores, but decided I couldn't choose between most :)

What other phrases have I missed? Which do you think is actually best?

as the actress said to the bishop -- Universal and traditional. You can use this anywhere, and even if someone hasn't heard of it, they stand some chance of seeing the joke. It's also versatile, allowing you to substitute a wide range of ecclesiatical and/or female figures as the joke requires.

As a matter of fact, does anyone know where this originates? I can trace it as far back as The Saint comics (1928-1963), but assume it was used before that. There are no useful results on google. Was there ever a specific original joke, or was it always used much as it is today?

oo-er -- Used mainly in poohsoc, where it's stopped being a sound and started being a word. Understood universally, I guess, though a bit direct for some company.

A raised eyeborw -- Or a passing smirk. Used by people like Rachel C. and Martin, who are masters at this sort of thing. Subtle, completely missable, but capable of completely cracking you up if they hit you right, regardless of how innocent the original comment was :)

Game -- Anyone who plays the Game (don't ask) would probably understand, though only isolated islands use "game" to mark innuendo consistantly. I believe the larpers/assassins tend to blame Rosy for this? It's secret, in that someone who doesn't know won't have any idea what's going on, but not subtle,. in that it tends to be loud and completely derail the conversation into asking "What? How?"

It has the annoying sideeffect of making everyone think about the game, but the delicious one of making everyone work out some probably obscure connection.

end of point of order -- I think I've only heard SimonT say this, but it's kind of inevitable. It's going to be puzzling for anyone who doesn't know mao, but has a deadpan humour quality which is valuble, and has the key advantage of implying a return to the normal conversation, rather than dwelling on the interruption

NPI -- No Pun Intended. Used online. The irony value is good, but it's generally a lie, and spawns a big argument on what people should have said instead. I tend to ignore this (and reword if *actually* no pun intended).

So to speak -- Possibly my favorite. It works in speach or text, emphasises the original meaning while making the innuendo clear, can be added after a short pause, contains an apology if you actually didn't mean it, and doesn't tend to invite any irrelevemt followup.

(Edit: fix bold/strike coding.)

Date: 2006-07-06 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] rjw76
"fnarr fnarr" gets used among various subsections of Pratchett fandom, and quite possibly elsewhere. I've seen *snerk* used online, too.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
LOL. Good point. Somehow "fnarr" just seems too crude... I know that's odd :)

Date: 2006-07-06 02:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mhw.livejournal.com
I think they may both have come from the Viz comic strip 'Finbarr Saunders and his Double Entendres'.

Date: 2006-07-06 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
As it were and fnaar. Raised eyebrows win, though.

Oh, and I have just lost The Game.

Oh, and I have just lost The Game.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Have you? Do you get a grace period if I lose, or only if I'm in the same room? For I should have lost, having written about the game, but actually completely forgot to do so; so I'm not sure if I did or not.

I have heard people who can *say* game without *thinking* it can get other people to lose without losing themselves :)

Re: Oh, and I have just lost The Game.

Date: 2006-07-06 04:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chess
I have heard people who can *say* game without *thinking* it can get other people to lose without losing themselves :)

I tend to disbelieve them, especially as I use "Game" as a general shortening of "I have just lost the Game".

Re: Oh, and I have just lost The Game.

Date: 2006-07-06 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Hmm. I believe it's possible. If you become used enough to saying "game" in response to innuendo that you don't think about the gamne whilst doing so. I don't know how often. And they probably lose it immediately after anyway :)

Date: 2006-07-06 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oedipamaas49.livejournal.com
Don't forget the Pixie-brand 'quiet at the back'.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Pixie? Jpixie? Oh, no, I don't recall hearing it. Good one, though, if not valid in all situations.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uisgebeatha.livejournal.com
Hurrah, I am now a brand name!

And, er, yes, I have been known to use that a lot where innuendos happen. Other than that I favour 'so to speak'. ;)

Date: 2006-07-06 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miss-next.livejournal.com
Mole says "fnarr". Unfortunately I strongly suspect him of saying "fnarr" sometimes when there is actually no innuendo at all, just to wind me up. This is because I generally wouldn't know... :-)

Date: 2006-07-06 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
ROFL. But "fnarr" can *make* innuendo :)

Date: 2006-07-06 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cornute.livejournal.com
But you can create innuendo where there wasn't any before-- just try responding to any question with "Never on a first date."

Date: 2006-07-06 04:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
"When did the Universe begin?"

Date: 2006-07-06 04:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
Mr Universe and Mrs Universe were having a very special cuddle...

Date: 2006-07-06 02:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
"Fnar" or "fnarr" or "fnarr, fnarr". I think Finbarr Saunders in Viz is the ultimate origin of this one, although I first encountered it in Sinclair User when I was about ten :-) It's always possible that Viz got it from somewhere else I don't know about.

At school we used to say "arf, arf" or just "ARF!". I don't know a specific origin of that one. I suppose it's just one of the onomatopoeic renditions of laughter, and perhaps the "f" conveys that the laughter in question is a bit muffled, as if you're sniggering behind your hand.

"Gosh!" or "Goodness!" if used in the right tone of voice often works well.

One of my all-time favourites is what [livejournal.com profile] lark_ascending refers to as the Finger of Innuendo: you raise your index finger, visibly inhale, grin slightly, and open your mouth as if you were about to point out an innuendous[1] meaning to what was just said, and then once people have seen you do that, you shut your mouth, lower your finger, exhale, and shake your head slightly as if you'd decided against saying it. People generally work out what you hadn't quite said, if you do it right. Being purely visual, it works well for not derailing conversations, and it's subtle and effective. (At one of [livejournal.com profile] lark_ascending's parties, actually, one LJ friend of hers was introduced to me and said "Wow, you're the guy who...", which didn't surprise me massively, "... invented the Finger of Innuendo!", which frankly did :-)

([1] I have a feeling that isn't a word, but it obviously should be.)

"End of point of order": as you say, it's a sort of exhortation to return to the main point of the conversation. I tend to intend it with more of a "don't go there" meaning rather than a generalised "fnarr", so I wouldn't employ it before the innuendo had been commented on at all; it would come into play once it was taking over the conversation and/or becoming excessively squicky :-)

On the same theme, I've heard "Moving swiftly on" (popularised by HIGNFY, I believe) used in similar circumstances.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
Oh, and [livejournal.com profile] pseudomonas's comment about raised eyebrows has put me in mind of one used by [livejournal.com profile] lark_ascending, which is to accompany the raised eyebrow with "Oh aye?" in a querying tone.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
ooh! I do that on IRC! er, without the raised eyebrow or the obvious tone-of-voice, being as it's IRC...

Date: 2006-07-06 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
I use that one as well, but it's overshadowed by the eyebrows.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Wow, you must be really bushy!

Date: 2006-07-06 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
Yes, and so are my eyebrows.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
As Gregory of Nazaeath said to the Roman Centurion...

Date: 2006-07-06 02:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
"Gosh!" or "Goodness!" if used in the right tone of voice often works well.

Oh, of course! If I want to maintain my air of innocnce but not miss an opportunity to suggest someone may have [...]ed their [...] into [..]'s [...] or whatever, it's amazingly effective :)

"Wow, you're the guy who...", which didn't surprise me massively, "... invented the Finger of Innuendo!", which frankly did :-)

ROFL, that's priceless :)

OTOH, I find nearly saying something often *more* disruptive. *Sometimes* it cracks people up momentarily as they realise what I didn't say, but as often (either in innuendo context or not) it seems to draw everyone's attention more than anything else...

Date: 2006-07-09 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dark-twinge.livejournal.com
Using 'end point of order' in regular conversatrion? Brilliant!

Depending on how liberally you interpret it, it could also mean something along the lines of "stop talking" as well; lends a nice air of mystery & confusion.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fanf
The Guild tends to ejaculate as it were.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
as it were.

Date: 2006-07-06 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mhw.livejournal.com
"as the actress said to the bishop" - I'd put good money (had I any) on this having a Punch cartoon as its origin. Only a hunch, though.

Date: 2006-07-06 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] captain-aj.livejournal.com
I've encountered the appending of " ... not that there's anything wrong with that" to innuendo before. Not entirely sure of the origins.

Date: 2006-07-06 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tienelle.livejournal.com
"Woof" appears from time to time; I think among assassins, but as I'm just a filthy LARPer, I mostly see it in dual-classed Assassin/LARPers. It's Really Not Subtle.

Date: 2006-07-06 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I do very occasionally use "Woof Woof" a la Lord Flashheart; but that's not so much as drawing attention to an accidnetly misinterpretable phrase, as saying something blatantly crude and then underlying it. Woof woof!

Date: 2006-07-07 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com
Flashheart *swoon*. I was an awkward teenager and found him incredibly sexy when I first saw him ;)

Date: 2006-07-09 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Hmmm. At the time I mainly wanted to slug him, though thinking about it, he does have a pleasing confidence.

Date: 2006-07-07 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com
'As it were' is the one that does it for me most of the time. As it were.

Date: 2006-07-07 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
*snork* *does it for you*

Date: 2006-07-07 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com
P.S. Classicists don't have innuendos, because everything *is* about sex :) I suppose psychologists who study Freud have the same problem :)

Date: 2006-07-07 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rochvelleth.livejournal.com
P.P.S. I just realised that IYSWIM is good for the job too :)