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Over the Christmas holidays I have had *several* new books to enjoy, *many* of which have been classic enough for me to want to recommend them and buy everything else by the author.

Temeraire is Hornblower with dragons. That says it all really. If you're not off reading it now, you never will. But for those of you reading on, I'll mention some of the good, the bad, and the ugly in my opinion.

* The good. Hornblower. With dragons. And it represents it well. Captain whatsit isn't Hornblower -- he's happy, for one thing -- but definitely from the same world. The alternate history -- Dragons have been bread for various uses, mainly military superiority in parallel to navies, the Chinese have overwhelming air superiority if they ever chose to use it, and the most intelligent, charming dragons, though others have bread for size, flame, poison, etc. The tactics used all sound plausible and Napoleonic, in that dragons are useful and dangerous, but not overwhelming.

* The bad. The first book doesn't really seem to go anywhere. It's lovely to read, but there's no substance, no unfolding plot, no tension, no revelation, no anticipation. People who recommended it to me, did you think that? How did you feel about the rest of the series?

* The other. Of course, a dragon is a gigantic honking stonking Mary Sue. That's what dragons are. Some people may complain about that, but it's like complaining that some science fiction explores laws contrary to reality, or that romances have a happy ending. That is the genre, and if you don't like it, reading is not recommended, but it cannot be changed without destroying it :) As I ranted about an ex-depressed post, Dragons are metaphors, expressions of some human emotion or other, as often as not, which is why they're cool. OK, I may be stretching things, but I wanted to say it. The fact that of course he turns out to be one of the most important breeds of dragon, and of course at the end of the book saves everyone, is perhaps over the top, though I'm not surprised. But that he's so wonderful isn't a flaw, it's the reason for the book :)

In fact, the entire review can probably be summed up by the conversation it was first recommended to me in.

Naath: It's Hornblower! With Dragons!
Ian: But it's not very good. Egan--
Me: No! Thank you both. I, of course, very much appreciate any recommendations for good good books. But Naath, please continue to recommend good books that are just like other good books, but with dragons, how can that be bad?

Sorry to both :)

Date: 2006-12-30 03:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com
Someone else has thought of this! [livejournal.com profile] flannelcat posted it in his journal the other day:

"Cool Story. Needs More Dragons"

Think of a famous film / book / historical story. Now tell me how you think it could have more Dragon in it. Give me a brief synopsis.

The link's here; I'll see if I can persuade him to unlock it.

Date: 2006-12-30 05:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I can see it. LOL, that is great (though I didn't think it seemed odd to put dragons in, it felt more like a change than an insertion.)

Date: 2006-12-30 05:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] fanf
The bad. The first book doesn't really seem to go anywhere.

Isn't that true for a lot of fantasy series genesis stories?

Date: 2006-12-30 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I wouldn't be surprised (which are you thinking of?) but I always think of series where the first book was standalone, and is generally the best, but a bit different in tone from the others. I guess if books were planned as a series from the beginning the first book would likely be crammed full of exposition, but I have no idea if that was the case here.

Date: 2006-12-30 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ilanin.livejournal.com
I'm not convinced that adding Dragons to Hornblower makes it significantly more implausible.

Date: 2006-12-30 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Is that so? Hornblower always sounded good to me (eg. compared to the sailing in most books) though I don't know anything about the period. In what ways is it implausible?

Date: 2006-12-30 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com
Have you read Jo Walton's Tooth and Claw? It's like Jane Austen with dragons, and I just love it.

Date: 2006-12-30 09:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liv
It's supposed to be like Anthony Trollope with dragons, according to her and the marketing blurb. I haven't read it yet, though.

Date: 2007-01-02 02:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bugshaw.livejournal.com
If I had read any Trollope I might be in a better position to make that comparison. Perhaps I should remedy this.

Date: 2007-01-02 11:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naath.livejournal.com
I was about to say that... yessss Jane Austen *with dragons*.

(Egan is also good, but contains fewer dragons)

Date: 2007-01-02 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
LOL. Thank you, please do continue :)

> Egan

Yes, indeed. I've read, um, several of those too, which I have to rant about urgently. It's like, hard science-fiction. Now! :)

Date: 2007-03-19 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Oh fuck, it only just occurred to me when I saw this page again.

Jonathan Strange and Mister Norrel. It could *so easily* have had dragons in, and then there you would have been.

Indeed, the sequels could *yet* have dragons in. It'd fit perfectly. Susanna Clarke would do it RIGHT, would become the Ursula Le Guin of Napoleonic-wars-with-dragons books... :)

Date: 2007-01-02 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
No, but it's somewhere on my "heard of" list. I think now I should try it :)

Date: 2007-03-19 09:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flannelcat.livejournal.com
See, there is a thread on the Rule 7 forums where people are discussing a live action roleplay event - Jane Austin's Aliens - raging xenomorph chest-bursters meets Pride And Prejudice.

Date: 2007-03-19 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
...wow. I guess it works for Doctor Who :)

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