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I have rhapsodised before about the theology in Lois McMasters Bujold's Chalion books. The gods seem both interesting, real, relevant, and effective, and yet challenging and not passive-aggressive.

There are five. The Father of Winter, god of justice, business, and a good death in due time. The Mother of Summer, goddess of mothers and healing. The Son of Autumn, god of hunting and companionship. The Daughter of Spring, goddess of learning. And the Bastard, god of a parcel of necessary yet awkward tasks.

In the books I really empathised. And yet I wasn't quite sure where I -- or anyone else I knew -- it. Now, wonder no longer, the magic of the internet brings the answer!:

Which Lois M Bujold God?
-- The Daughter

You scored as a disciple of the Daughter of Spring.

The Daughter is the daughter of the Mother of Summer and Father of Winter, godess of young women, learning, spring and lyric poetry. She is often seen as a beautiful self-assured young woman.

The military Order of the Daughter is twin to the Order of the Son, but deals with domestic problems, insurrections, and bandits. Cazaril's old friend the enthusiastic March dy Pallyiar and leftenents Foix and Ferda belond to the Order of the Daughter.

She is the god most visible in Curse of Chalion, driving Cazaril to Iselle's aid to break the curse inadvertantly spilled on the royal family a generation ago. When Cazaril experiences he presence, he says "He'd once thought of the Lady of Spring as a sort of pleasant, gentle young woman, in in his vague and youthful conceptualizations. The divines and Ordol's book had honed it scarcely further to a mental picture of a nice immortal lady. This overwhelming Mind listened to every cry or song in the world at once. She watched the souls spiral up in all their terrible complex beauty with the delight of agardener inhaling the scent of Her flowers. And now this Mind turned Her attention fully upon Cazaril."

Your scores were:

The Daughter10
The Son6
The Father6
The Mother3
The Bastard5

Take the test: http://semichrome.net/~jack/quiz/quiz.php?quiz=chalion


I invariably score as the Daughter (learning -- there was too little information on domesticity, female virginity, lyric poetry, or spring for me to judge properly or I might have scored less) with affiliations with the Father (for responsibility and pedantry) and the Bastard (for vile humour, chaos, and misfits).

I'd be particularly interested to know what people who read the books got. Its an interesting but possibly nonpanacea test in that I didn't know what I'd get before I started, just made up a question at a time and saw where it went.

Date: 2007-04-11 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
What's the script you're using for the poll?

Date: 2007-04-11 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I wrote it last night, I can email you if you're curious.

I spent about half an hour looking for an site which did what I wanted (have five options, scoring you as the highest, and preferably inputting questions in csv format rather than having to type into a web form), and decided it'd be easier to do it myself.

It's *nearly* generic, I (or anyone else) could use it for tests with a bit of tweaking.

Date: 2007-04-11 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angoel.livejournal.com
I got daughter:

The Daughter 11
The Son 5
The Father 7
The Mother 3
The Bastard 3

I'd think of myself being more likely to be the father, but who am I to argue with the infailability of an online test.

Date: 2007-04-11 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stephenpthomas.livejournal.com
I scored as the Father (http://stephenpthomas.livejournal.com/62228.html), although I only just edged out the Daughter.

I've read Curse and Paladin - not yet gotten around to Hallowed Hunt, I'm afraid. It's been a while since I have read them, I may need to do so again so I can assess your questions better. Such a hardship :)

I'm told we've met, at the CUTT banquet.

I'm told we've met, at the CUTT banquet.

Date: 2007-04-11 11:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
LOL. I'm sure -- I met an awful lot of people then, and I'm afraid don't remember everyone's names.

Date: 2007-04-11 08:48 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mair_in_grenderich
Your scores were:
The Daughter 13
The Son 4
The Father 4
The Mother 5
The Bastard 2

never heard of the books

Date: 2007-04-11 09:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tienelle.livejournal.com
The Son. Rash action, me?
Daughter 9
Son 13
Father 7
Mother 5
Bastard 2

Date: 2007-04-11 10:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
Which Lois M Bujold God?
-- The Daughter

Your scores were:

The Daughter11
The Son5
The Father6
The Mother11
The Bastard4

Take the test: http://semichrome.net/~jack/quiz/quiz.php?quiz=chalion

Date: 2007-04-11 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
But really, Jack - "male parts"? And what's wrong with just being bi?

Date: 2007-04-11 10:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
Also, I much prefer this sort of quiz with ticky boxes. Then when I'm dithering between whether to put spring or summer I can put both, rather than arbitarily choosing one. I think the answers are more accurate when it's done like that.

Date: 2007-04-11 11:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Yes, probably. I think most appropriate is to let you tick two or three radio buttons, but there isn't a form of tickybox that does that, really.

The trouble with check boxes is that you probably just want to tick everything or nearly everything, and the results don't parse so well.

Date: 2007-04-11 01:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
I think most appropriate is to let you tick two or three radio buttons, but there isn't a form of tickybox that does that, really.

I can give you some javascript that does that, if you like.

Date: 2007-04-11 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Thank you! That could be useful. For now I think I'll leave it, it works 95% in simple html, I can't be bothered to tinker with it.

But really, Jack - "male parts"?

Date: 2007-04-11 11:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
ROFL! Yeah. But I considered a couple of other words, and none seemed right. "Male parts" sounds fantasyy, and anything more specific or more slangy probably doesn't indicate father-of-winter-ness at all. Someone who likes "cock and balls" is probably Bastard. Someone who likes "penises" is probably Daughter :)

Then again, I always am a touch embarrassed by this "body" thing :)

And what's wrong with just being bi?

Date: 2007-04-11 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Well, yeah. I felt a little guilty. But:

(a) I guessed most people I knew probably lent one way or the other, and bi people could probably pick one
(b) I guessed that fit the demarcation of the gods more closely. I'm sure Chalion is full of people who are mostly straight, and they're not all devotees of the bastard, but someone who primarily isn't may go that way. Checking "bi" would just give a random result anyway because it doesn't indicate any god :)

Date: 2007-04-11 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Edit: It seems to work, insofar as people get plausible but surprising answers :)

Date: 2007-04-11 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sunflowerinrain.livejournal.com
I haven't read the books. Want!

Date: 2007-04-11 08:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ravingglory.livejournal.com
I think it's more of a "which god would take your soul?" test.

and totally expected to score more Bastard points.

The Daughter 9
The Son 3
The Father 6
The Mother 10
The Bastard 3

Date: 2007-04-11 11:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I think it's more of a "which god would take your soul?" test.

Yeah, that'd be a good description. It's a definite one-way-or-the-other thing, too, so fits the test well. But it feels a bit fatalistic -- I'd rather it were described as my choice, rather than as what happens to me, if you see what I mean?

and totally expected to score more Bastard points.

ROFL. Good point. Though I don't know, I don't know if I *could* pigeonhole you, I think I don't know you well enough after all.

Possibly the bastard is skewed because he's the most main character god in the books, so everyone empathises with him most. Or because he's always the odd one out, so people tend to choose the joke answers on the test, or not.

Or maybe the Bastard is the God of people who don't fit in one way or another, but my friends are so weird many people become normal by comparison :)

Date: 2007-04-12 09:38 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] ravingglory.livejournal.com
It's not that I think I'd go to the Bastard, it's that I think it should score more than 3 points.

Most people go to the god who's age and sex they fit with. Plus as a student I get extra daughter points. And I can see where the Mother stuff comes from.

Any ways it's neat test.

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