Mathletes

Jun. 5th, 2007 04:11 pm
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At the weekend, I watched Mean Girls. Near the end, there's a scene where the protagonist has to answer a bonus sudden-death question in an inter-school math quiz, lim x->0 of log(1-x)-sin(x) over 1-cos2(x).

I followed up by googling the limit she had to find, and lo, unsurprisingly, there were people discussing it. There's just something weird about that.

In fact, it was pretty well chosen. It was on the screen for only a second, and they could have put gibberish there, but it was correct, and something you *could* solve in your head if you were on the ball.

Of course, I'm way out of practice, which is rather depressing. I remember lots of things, but to use them I need to write it all out from scratch, there's nothing I can do confidently.

As it happens, I nearly got this right, but unsurprisingly messed up the taylor expansions. I thought they'd used "has no limit" for "limit of infinity", but no, it's right, the sign is different above and below, so there is definitely no limit.

But then it occurred to me that that was probably contentious in itself. If f(x)->oo, devoid of context, I'd say nothing but "limit of infinity". But someone would say, it has no limit. After all, there's no actual number in the domain which is the limit. But in all applications I'm familiar with, knowing that tends to inf is useful.

Would anyone go with the "no limit" answer?

Date: 2007-06-05 03:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beckyc.livejournal.com
Would anyone go with the "no limit" answer?

I now have an urge to say something along the lines of "No no. No no, no no. No no, no no, no no there's no limit" just so I have a chance of feeding someone else the earworm you've just given me.

Date: 2007-06-05 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
ROFL. Unfortunately I haven't heard it, I seem immune. Though I'm sure I'll flash back next time I calculate a limit :)

Date: 2007-06-05 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vyvyan.livejournal.com
This one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjqKHYaf8EQ

(I'm afraid that's what went through my head when I first saw your post too :-)

Date: 2007-06-05 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Thankyou! Though actually, I think I've decided I *don't* want the earworm...

Date: 2007-06-05 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saraphale.livejournal.com
My first job in Cambridge, that was the official company song. Random marketing type would stand up in front of a room full of employees, looking grumpy while that music was playing, then he would hit 'stop', and start a monotone speech.

Truly cringe-worthy.

Truly cringe-worthy.

Date: 2007-06-05 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Oh, wait, it was the company song because it was supposed to be inspiring, rather than because they were Analysis geeks? Yes, that could backfire.

Re: Truly cringe-worthy.

Date: 2007-06-05 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saraphale.livejournal.com
Oh yes, it was meant to be inspiring. And they weren't really analysis geeks. The main point I remember from their presentations was that, roughly, "Five of our previous company names* are in the top 10 well known names for our market sector, and this is a good thing."

* The company changed names at least once a year for a while.

Re: Truly cringe-worthy.

Date: 2007-06-11 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Amusingly, I read that as "real-analysis geeks" rather than "real analysis-geeks" :) I didn't really think so -- the chances of people being both analysis-geeks and motivators seemed infinitesimal :)

Date: 2007-06-05 05:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tienelle.livejournal.com
You too, huh?