Keeping a secret for four hundred years
Jul. 26th, 2007 04:40 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
jackI won't say whether it exists or not, but much in Foucault's Pendulum much attention is paid to the implausibility of the idea there may be secret descendants of the Templars, putting a long-laid plan. Many other books (and conspiracy theories) have similar ideas.
How *would* you go about organising such a thing? First, a few background points.
* Obviously there are *some* secret societies. The masons actually exist :)
* If that helps the members out now, that's obviously a reason to do it.
* Or if they're following some religious purpose.
* Or if you want to shape the future of humanity.
* But would you want to found a society in order to benefit the N00-year-hence members of it? But that's what some fictional societies with a big secret seem supposed to do. (See 1984 for a philosophical discussion of maintaining a caste system.)
If you did want to, how would you do it? First, the parameters:
* Let's say you have a big secret you want put into effect or revealed at the next millennium.
* You want to prevent anyone finding out before hand, including the members.
* But want the secret to survive.
And, so, what:
* One technique is to simply write lots of instructions and bury them. They (hopefully) won't be found too soon and (hopefully) when they're found some people primed by rumour will follow the instructions.
That later point is when many stories are set: with the digging up of a mysterious treasure map and wondering who wrote it.
* Another is to found a small secret society, and trust the members to hand the secret down to the next generation. This is also popular, though fragile.
If too few people know, sooner or later they die at once, and the followers are stuck.
If too many, someone wants to go off, and grab the secret early.
Each man/group choosing a trustworthy successor can work, but they can't *always* be right. And over their life, they may stop caring.
And they can all be hunted down.
* What other tricks are possible? Perhaps estimate Moore's Law and release an encrypted message publicly, and rely on it being decrypted at about the right time.
* Have several groups with part of the secret, to meet at some point in the future.
It's tricky specifying when though. You can say "meet at this place, this time, this day, this year", and rely on statistics to make it robust. If a secret group has a 10% chance of dying out and 10% chance of going rogue, it has 80% chance of doing the right thing. Founding three such groups needing one other to decrypt the secret improves the chances to ~3% of two dying out, and ~3% of two going rogue.
But no "Machiavellian" secret societies anyone's tried to tell *me* about have been so clever.
Alternatively, try to specify a place you can't find in advance, eg. where the next [event] occurs, one month later. But clever groups trying to jump the gun might cheat, eg. by going to the *last* [event], on the anniversary, and hoping another group will think the same way.
* Found a religious order and tell them it's god's will.
* Launch the secret in a space probe designed to intercept the earth in N years.
* Lock it up and trust no-one ever considers trying to cheat mechanically.
* Hide it in a statue, church, or other long-lasting publicly visible place, with a clock designed to go off at the right time. Anyone looking before that won't know where, but at the time it'll be obvious to all comers.
* Similarly, you could hide it in a computer -- or mutation-resistant biological -- virus, designed to spread slowly and go off on that date.
Though none seem perfect. Does anyone have any better ideas?
How *would* you go about organising such a thing? First, a few background points.
* Obviously there are *some* secret societies. The masons actually exist :)
* If that helps the members out now, that's obviously a reason to do it.
* Or if they're following some religious purpose.
* Or if you want to shape the future of humanity.
* But would you want to found a society in order to benefit the N00-year-hence members of it? But that's what some fictional societies with a big secret seem supposed to do. (See 1984 for a philosophical discussion of maintaining a caste system.)
If you did want to, how would you do it? First, the parameters:
* Let's say you have a big secret you want put into effect or revealed at the next millennium.
* You want to prevent anyone finding out before hand, including the members.
* But want the secret to survive.
And, so, what:
* One technique is to simply write lots of instructions and bury them. They (hopefully) won't be found too soon and (hopefully) when they're found some people primed by rumour will follow the instructions.
That later point is when many stories are set: with the digging up of a mysterious treasure map and wondering who wrote it.
* Another is to found a small secret society, and trust the members to hand the secret down to the next generation. This is also popular, though fragile.
If too few people know, sooner or later they die at once, and the followers are stuck.
If too many, someone wants to go off, and grab the secret early.
Each man/group choosing a trustworthy successor can work, but they can't *always* be right. And over their life, they may stop caring.
And they can all be hunted down.
* What other tricks are possible? Perhaps estimate Moore's Law and release an encrypted message publicly, and rely on it being decrypted at about the right time.
* Have several groups with part of the secret, to meet at some point in the future.
It's tricky specifying when though. You can say "meet at this place, this time, this day, this year", and rely on statistics to make it robust. If a secret group has a 10% chance of dying out and 10% chance of going rogue, it has 80% chance of doing the right thing. Founding three such groups needing one other to decrypt the secret improves the chances to ~3% of two dying out, and ~3% of two going rogue.
But no "Machiavellian" secret societies anyone's tried to tell *me* about have been so clever.
Alternatively, try to specify a place you can't find in advance, eg. where the next [event] occurs, one month later. But clever groups trying to jump the gun might cheat, eg. by going to the *last* [event], on the anniversary, and hoping another group will think the same way.
* Found a religious order and tell them it's god's will.
* Launch the secret in a space probe designed to intercept the earth in N years.
* Lock it up and trust no-one ever considers trying to cheat mechanically.
* Hide it in a statue, church, or other long-lasting publicly visible place, with a clock designed to go off at the right time. Anyone looking before that won't know where, but at the time it'll be obvious to all comers.
* Similarly, you could hide it in a computer -- or mutation-resistant biological -- virus, designed to spread slowly and go off on that date.
Though none seem perfect. Does anyone have any better ideas?
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Date: 2007-07-26 11:10 pm (UTC)If you have prior knowledge of some astronomical phenomenon, say you’re a time traveller who knows when and where supernovae are going to occur, you might leave instructions for incrementally deriving the message from astronomical observations.
A particular sort of time traveller might try to establish a secret society to last a thousand years just to see if it could be done. It’s more challenging than teaching a dog to jump through a hoop.
will probably fail
Date: 2007-07-26 11:27 pm (UTC)If you have prior knowledge of some astronomical phenomenon,
Date: 2007-07-26 11:28 pm (UTC)But it's inherently very difficult, because your knowledge of what's happening in the sky is based on... astronomical observations. And anything visible to three billion people at once is hard to keep secret :)
Re: If you have prior knowledge of some astronomical phenomenon,
Date: 2007-07-27 08:57 am (UTC)Re: If you have prior knowledge of some astronomical phenomenon,
Date: 2007-07-27 09:20 am (UTC)just to see if it could be done.
Date: 2007-07-26 11:29 pm (UTC)OTOH, if you had some cold sleep device for yourself, that *might indeed* be a very very very good reason to want someone to wake you up on year X, but not before!
Re: just to see if it could be done.
Date: 2007-07-27 08:59 am (UTC)Re: just to see if it could be done.
Date: 2007-07-27 09:18 am (UTC)