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[personal profile] jack
Until recently, I tended to follow an automatically utilitarian approach. After all, people would say, if one action does more good than another, how can it possibly be true than the second is the "right" one?

But it started to bother me, and I started to think maybe you needed both something like utilitarianism and something like virtue ethics.

I imagined using the same language to describe different ways of getting something right that’s somewhat less subjective and emotional than morality, say, the right way to write reliable computer programs.

Some people would say “here is a list of rules, follow them”. But this approach sucks when the technology and understanding get better, because you keep writing code that saves two bytes if it’s compiled on a 1990's 8-bit home computer, because that was a good idea at the time.

Other people would say, “choose whichever outcome will make the code more reliable in the long run”. That’s better than “follow these outdated rules”, but doesn't really tell you what to do hour-by-hour.

In fact, the people who do best seem to be those who have general principles they stick to, like “fix the security holes first”, even if it’s impossible to truly estimate the relative plusses and minusses of avoiding an eventual security breach versus adding a necessary new feature now. But they don’t stick to them blindly, and are willing to update or bypass those principles if the opposite is obviously better in some particular situation.

My thought, which I’m not yet very sure of, is the same applies to morality.

Date: 2013-04-18 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ptc24
Well, many sorts of priest have titles that are based on some word for "father", so it's not surprising that some of the things they do might be paternalistic. It does seem like a trap for loss of integrity, a good way to end up with a priesthood full of hypocrites.

(Possibly mechanism for intrinsically binding commitments - maintaining a facade of integrity is too difficult? too slow? too error-prone? too likely to become corrupt?)

These problems with integrity etc. are one thing that persuades me the Act Utilitarianism isn't the right thing; neither as a decision procedure nor as a standard of rightness. At least not Act Utilitarianism as commonly conceived; some of these odd decision theories I mentioned a while back might let you talk about something that behaves rather differently which maybe you could still call "Act"; I'm not sure whether that's an abuse of the terminology, though.

Thought experiment: if people were learning a happiness-maximising morality by trial and error or some other gradual learning process, what sort of thing would they converge on?

All of that said, it might be worth reading Sidgwick's The Methods of Ethics, or at least dipping into chapters. That is, if you don't mind wading through pages and pages of not very good writing.

Date: 2013-04-18 07:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] emperor
House does the "treating an evil dictator" thing.
Edited (tyop) Date: 2013-04-18 07:29 pm (UTC)