jack: (Default)
Wow, I knew *nothing* about ancient chinese history. Now, I still know nothing, but, you know, a slightly less unrelieved wall-to-wall nothing, thanks to ten minutes reading wikipedia. A lot of this will be tied to the reigns of such-and-and dynasties to keep everything straight even if that's not the best way of following the history.

So, before about 2500 BCE we have stuff we mostly know about through archaeology (I think) like so-and-so culture and domestication of dogs and silk.

Then we have a few hundred years of people known mostly through legend, like the Yellow Emperor and the (variously constituted) other "Three kings and five emperors", now considered deities.

At 2200 BCE (give or take... something) we start having the Xia dynasty, who controlled enough of China to be considered the first recognised dynasty (but not enough to be the first emperor). But this is still before any written records, so all these dates come from later histories or archaeological evidence, if any, and will be a bit off, but I'm going by the dates in wikipedia which seem to be the traditional ones.

Wikipedia says it was founded by Yu the Great who finally perfected the hot idea that the right channel-digging could stop the rivers flooding everything all the time and instead produce excellent arable land.

This lasted until 16xx BCE when the last Xia, who the histories say (a) was corrupt, had too high taxes and levies and (b) was overthrown by his nominal vassal, Tang of Shang, and a confederation of increasingly many other minor rulers, inaugurating the Shang dynasty. As with many of these overthrows apparently the previous ruler got to retire to rule a little fiefdom somewhere, and continued for many generations.

The Shang dynasty lasted from 16xx until 10xx. I'm skipping over a whole lot of intra-dynasty overthrow which I don't know enough to follow. They invented "saying that they overthrew the previous dynasty because they would be better rulers and so the Mandate of Heaven said it was their duty to do so" which was comparatively progressive. I should be comparing these dates to historical happenings elsewhere. Apparently this was shortly after the something dynasty in Egypt? And shortly after the apparent date of the biblical flood.

Somewhere in there was Shao Kang who was especially famous.

The last ruling Shang (ending 10xx) was apparently ESPECIALLY decadent, at least according to tradition. The example given is, digging a lake and filling it with wine and building an island on it with a tree whose branches were skewers of meat, and drifting around with all his concubines scooping wine and meat into his mouth whenever they liked, like a reverse Tantalus. Wikipedia says this persists as a byword for decadence.

Just to keep anglophones on their toes, apparently this guy was called Zhou, and was overthrown by the first of the Zhou dynasty, and as best as I can see from a ten second look at wikipedia, these names are completely different, they just happen to be spelled and pronounced the same in English?

The Zhou lasted from 10xx until nearly 2xx BCE, so for ages, but they exerted increasingly less control and controlled less territory, and until they officially fell before the Qin dynasty officially united China. The last couple of hundred years of this were known as the Warring States period, which I should probably return to.

This is too long so I'm going to rush the next but but maybe fill it in another time. The Qin dynasty started with THE emperor, famous for conquering all the warring states, uniting china, inventing a whole bunch of civilisation and bureaucracy, and overthrowing a previously-roughly-feudal social order into one run mostly by central control, standardising money, writing, etc, a centralised military, large engineering projects such as the first northern walls which eventually became The wall, etc. So a force for civilisation or dystopia depending who you ask.

But it only lasted two emperors. It was followed by four hundred years of Han, who are often thought of as the canonical example of ancient china. Which was followed by the famous Three Kingdoms interlude when three different states each claimed emperor-ship over all of China, romanticised and recorded in many novels and histories. Including Magic: The Gathering's abortive introductory produce "Portal: Three Kingdoms".

Do @ me :)
jack: (Default)
Language

In the region, but especially in Bosnia, there are three languages, Bosnian, Croatian, and Serbian, but it's generally described as like British English and American English, perfectly inter-intelligible, with some variation. Croatian and Bosnian are written with the roman alphabet, and Serbian with the cyrillic alphabet.

But obviously, even if you can make yourself understood, use the right name for the language!

World War I

Embarrassingly, I'd remembered that Arch-Duke Ferdinand had been shot somewhere in the Austro-Hungarian empire, but completely forgot where. It was in Sarajevo. He was shot by Gavrilo Princep, who wanted a Serbia independent of the Austro-Hungarian empire. I'm not sure how he's seen now -- I think at the time, he was seen as a terrorist, but since has come to be more of a tragic hero.

The next is a lot of this is things I should know by watching the TV news as a teenager, but I didn't really pick up until I went there. And is incredibly simplistic, but is a sort of description of some of the things that happened, even though it's incredibly vague :(

Breakup of Yugoslavia and War Crimes )
jack: (Default)
History

The area was settled by Slavic tribes some time in the last thousand years. For much of the last 500 years it was part of the Turkish Empire, then briefly part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

This means it has an eastern/mediterranean, but with a lot of Turkish influence. The touristy old bit of Sarajevo is the old town, with many mosques and amenities first built by a famous ottoman ruler. And when we were parched for tea, we went to one of the little cafes to find turkish tea.

Ethnic composition

There are traditionally Croats, who are Catholic, Serbs, who are Eastern Orthodox, and Bosniaks, who are Muslim. I think they all come from very similar stock, so the differences are mostly cultural, but quite distinct.

Multiculturalism

Bosnia has been proudly multicultural for a long time (despite recent awful happenings). It's somewhere where there historic mosques, catholic churches and eastern orthodox churches all coexisting. And two synagogues, one in active use, mostly Sephardi, though Ashkenazi too.

The multiculturalism is the first thing people mention, and it's really nice to see somewhere actively proud of it. We didn't share much common language with the taxi driver on the first night, but when he described London, the first complement he gave was "multicultural".

Even when people are describing war crimes by serbian forces, they immediately stress that many important Bosnian Serbs defected from the Yugoslavian/Serbian army to defend Bosnia.

Although, while positive, this sometimes doesn't leave room for anyone who doesn't fit neatly into the three boxes.

Active Recent Entries