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I wondered here, http://cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com/230434.html, what would happen if a court were sure beyond reasonable doubt you were guilty of one of two crimes, but had no convincing evidence which. Would they have to let you go, or could they sentence you to the lesser sentence[1]? I had a fairly dramatic example letting you get away with murder, but doing some research now I find at least one took the common sense approach.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=7th&navby=case&no=993601

An American case, but I guess valid precedent over there at least. A corner shop was found to have redeemed more food stamps[2] from the government than they had reported in revenue. Thus they had probably cheated their stamps, and possibly lied about their revenue, (or maybe both), and the defense tried to create doubt about which, even thought the discrepency was beyond doubt, and argue that neither was beyond doubt.

The court, fairly sensibly imho, decided she was liable to punsihment for the lesser crime if there was reasonable doubt on the greater. Though I don't know if based on anything other than fairness.

[1] There could still be a problem if the sentences were different in type, not just different periods of imprisonment, but fortunately all British sentences are fairly easily comparable, or have sufficient discretion to be made so. If not, I guess you could be offered a choice or something?

[2] Issued by the government to people who need them, redeemable at shops for food and other essential items. (Notorious for being confusing what is and isn't covered.) The government then pays the shop back.
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Note: I'm merely curious. I have no intention of doing this.

Suppose it's certain that I'm guilty of one of two crimes, but it's uncertain *which*. And there's no overlap. Is there any legal mechanism which will convict me of one-or-the-other? Can I be tried and sentenced to the lesser sentence? What happens?

The best example I can think of is I shoot someone with a hypodermic gun, then send the body abroad in my friend's boat. I'm found with two ampouls, A fatal, B not. If I used A, I'm guilty of murder (and tampering with a corpse, etc). If I used B, I'm guilty of kidnapping (and assault). Can I be convicted of either of the major crimes, given that it's not certain I committed it?

I think in most jurisdictions I can be convicted for assault if I also murder, but if I'm tried for murder that takes precedence. So I might get any lesser charge which certainly happened.

Am I obliged to testify? I thought the current situation in the UK was that it could be held against me if I don't testify, but that it's not automatic guilt, it's just that if it makes me look guilty it can be evidence against me, but here it's not conclusive.

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