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Isn't it strange how the mind works. In my usual arse-backwards way I read Hornblower before gaining any much acquaintance with traditional myths. So his ship "Atropos"[1] was remembered in my brain, and when I read about the three fates (Clothos, Lachesis, Atropos), I didn't notice the name was the same, and when I reread the book, I didn't see the connection then, it was in my mind as "H's ship" and I never looked at the pronunciation or spelling.

Then one day, I was walking down the street, subvocalised a thought about Hornblower, and went "oooooooh!" and then grabbed the nearest person and said "WHY DID YOU NEVER TELL ME THAT?"[2]

I had the same experience with the football team "Arsenal". Would you believe how long it was before I guessed why they might have chosen that word as their name?

But it says something about the brain. You can abstract a word enough that the context and letters are mapped straight into the associations without passing through the sound or immediate meaning...

[1] Jack's brain: Spoiler tag!
Jack's brain: What? Why?
Jack's brain: Didn't you give away the fact he gets the ship?!
Jack's brain: It's IN THE TITLE OF THE BOOK
Jack's brain: It just says "Hornblower AND the Atropos".
Jack's brain: But so did I. "His ship" means the ship that he's living on. Not necessarily in command of. Besides, there's no possible way that could spoil anything, why would it matter?
Jack's brain: If he were in command, and you read a book where he wasn't, you'd know he was going to get promoted.
Jack's brain: But I deliberately left it unspecified. I make no claim one way or the other, and in this footnote, believe me, that was hard.

[2] Actually, I didn't.

Date: 2007-03-13 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quism.livejournal.com
Re: the football team, I was under the impression it was because they were originally based at Woolwich Arsenal, rather than being a random cool-sounding word selection.

In fact, checking Wikipedia, it seems they were originally called "Royal Arsenal", which gives a whole new angle on the "Going up the ..." expression.

Date: 2007-03-13 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
That is entirely consistent with what I said. (Though I admit I hadn't thought about it much and in fact had assumed it was arbitrary.)

Date: 2007-03-13 04:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quism.livejournal.com
I realized that while I was typing, but I thought I'd carry on, in an internet show-off kind of a way.

Date: 2007-03-13 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angelofthenorth.livejournal.com
This is the problem that we have with 'religious' words - the words get divorced from meaning and thus become a joke.

It's also how JKRowling works...

Date: 2007-03-15 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minipoppy.livejournal.com
Ooo ooo, I have just totally had one of those moments while working on a journal about penguins. There is a Gentoo penguin. I though, isn't that funny, there is an operating system called that. And there is Tux who is also a penguin. Some programming guy sure likes penguins. Oh... *right*.

But I'm not a techie so I can be excused.

Date: 2007-03-15 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
...I don't get it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tux says some programming guy *did* just like penguins. Am I missing something?