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Recently Liv linked to a discussion about hat-sorting[1] Vorkosigan Saga characters. I was really interested, although also interested to see I often disagreed.

The houses

First, some clarifications on how I see the houses as Rowling seemed to intend them or how they make the most sense, rather than as they come across in the books.

Gryffindor is the "good" house, but if you eschew a moral judgement, you can say they're defined by bravery/impulsiveness and loyalty/dogmatism.

Slytherin is the "evil" house, but if you eschew moral judgement, you could say they're the house of ambition and forming social alliances. I think "in-group-ness" can be very slytherin, but I don't think it has to be racial-based even though that was the primary division represented at the time Harry Potter was at school.

Ravenclaw is easy: good or bad, they're motivated by understanding.

Hufflepuff is often seen as the "other" house, but that's unfair, they seem defined by reliability (seen positively as loyalty or trustworthyness or negatively as ploddingness) and nurturingness. You can have bad-ass hufflepuffs, see below :)

[1] what's the appropriate verb here?

Miles Vorkosigan

Someone said that Miles was Gryffindor and Naismith was Slytherin. I think that's backwards: Naismith is the most charge-in-and-damn-the-consequences part of Miles, if anything, even more devoted to "do the right thing at all costs" than Miles is. Hence Gryffindor.

Whereas Miles is good, but he's ambitious good. He doesn't just want to do something good, he wants to change the world for good. He talks everyone into his way of doing things, and makes friends with everyone[2]. Ambition, networking, and silver-tongue, that is so Slytherin in a good way.

[2] I thought Slughorn was a missed opportunity, because he tries to make friends, but is way too slimy. I think it still counts as Slytherin if you make lots of friends and genuinely like them.

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As children, we're often first taught something by going through the motions of doing it, even if all the heavy lifting is actually done by our parents. If done well, this can be a very uplifting way to be introduced to a new concept; to get to play at it, and go through the general steps in a top-down way, without having to get each intermediate step right. (If done badly it can be very dispiriting, if you want to see if you can do it right, but someone just swoops in and does it for you before you can try.)

Digression on boardgames

This is something that's occurred to me in the concept of teaching people board games. For instance, in teaching someone MTG, especially to geeks, you fairly quickly need to move on to knowing at least a subset of the rules you interact with regularly, as there's lots of rules, and if you don't know them and just try to learn individual situations piecemeal, you're constantly bitten by special cases where your teacher says "no, it does [thing you didn't expect]" and you don't know why.

However, when introducing the game, I think people are often too regimented in explaining the rules. I think it's often better to say something like "each turn, you play a land, cast a creature (paying for it with the land cards you have), and then attack with your creatures", and letting the beginner get an idea of how a game normally goes and why it's fun, before explaining "you can play a land after a creature, but it's normally worse to do so, and you can cast multiple spells a turn if you want to", etc, etc.

Sometimes you really need to explain from the bottom up, but sometimes going through the motions without knowing the detailed rules is enough to give the flavour of the game.

Narnia and LOTR

The reason for this post, is I sometimes feel Aslan and Gandalf are doing that: they both vary in power level, typically being "somewhat stronger than whoever they're facing", partly for in-world reasons, and mostly for plot-reasons.

But I wonder if it's also because doing "just the minimum necessary to win the war" means that everyone else gets the experience of winning (mostly) through their own effort. Which is horrible if you think of it as real life, letting everyone die to make a point, but makes a lot more sense if you think of it as a warm-up before deciding who goes to heaven.

But several people have said they don't think that's consistent with what Aslan and Gandalf actually do.

(Dumbledore doesn't even have an excuse of being God, he really doesn't know best, he just acts like he does. Often because there's a good in-world reason for manipulating everyone, but also because that's just what Wise Mentor Figures do, even when it's blatantly counterproductive.)
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I mentioned this elsewhere, but decided it was worth recording as a post.

Firstly, Hogwarts houses are like a roleplaying game alignment system: an intriguing set of axes to project people onto, and an interesting premise for a fictional world, but not a complete reflection of real people.

However, it occurred to me that lots of people get stuck on questions like "Why isn't Hermione in Ravenclaw?" and that an equally plausible and possibly more consistent interpretation was also inherent in the description. Namely, what if your house reflects, not what you're best at but what you value most.

The houses might be loosely categorised as:

Gryffindor: Bravery, justice, rashness, self-importance
Ravenclaw: Intelligence, curiosity
Hufflepuff: Loyalty, hard-workingness,
Slytherin: Ambition, ruthlessness

In this interpretation, it doesn't mean that Hermione is more brave than she is academically brilliant -- but that if she had to choose, she'd think Hermione-without-brilliance is more Hermione than Hermione-without-Justice. Put in those terms, it suddenly makes a lot more sense: many people I know fall into a similar category: I don't know how I would cope without my skills, to a large extent they define who I am -- but not as much as my moral positions, as scraggly as they are.

The same for Neville: it's always difficult for him to show courage -- but he never ever gives up trying. And for Cedric Diggory: I don't know, but I can imagine that he's quite brave and intelligent, but being loyal and hard-working is what is at his core.

Of course, there are things Rowling says about the system that we never see: like a likeable Slytherin, or one who doesn't seem honestly repulsive. But I think Rowling genuinely meant that to exist, even if the books fail in presenting it.

It also ties in to the defining idea that Harry chose his destiny.

Of course, this may all be made explicit in the books, but I don't think it is. Conversely, the system may not have a plausible rationale, but I still like this way of looking at it.
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What I love about it

That it (sometimes) deals with magic system asking the questions I would ask, if I saw the universe acting in such a suspiciously anthropomorphic way.

That it''s totally hilarious in places about those questions.

That I genuinely care about its version of some of the characters.

What I don't like (so much)

Obviously writing something like this is hit-and-miss, and you couldn't have the great bits without having the rough edges, so I don't mean to criticise the fic by pointing out what worked less well for me.

It sometimes seemed to be pushing Harry's hyper-rationality at the expense of common sense or normal human feeling. Which is understandable, as that's sort of the point. That's what I had a problem with when I first tried to read it, that Harry's father and to some extent Harry dismissed his mother's experiences of magic, and only reluctantly implementing a rational test, which well-characterised or not annoyed me; but I got to like it a lot more when I saw that the fic did expose Harry's own biases (such as always looking for clever solutions that made him shine, rather than sane ones), for instance when the sorting hat points them out.

But there's still a definite tendency to fetishise rationality: for instance, several times there are mentions of extreme torture or other evil stuff, and I feel like (1) yes, it's good that someone can examine this stuff objectively but (2) he needs to be more aware of most people's reluctance to face it, not as "something I'll understand once it's explained to me" but "something I will respect even before I understand why people do it".

I feel someone going around asking questions like "hm, so is torture evil?" is like someone designing an atomic bomb: most probably it will NOT lead them into unrestricted amorality if someone can't justify it quickly enough, or set fire to the entire atmosphere of the Earth, but you want to be careful examining that sort of thing.

And it's good to examine all the questionable premises of a magical story, and a commonly effective way of doing that is to take them to the logical conclusion. But it's not always the best way: sometimes it smacks of someone reading Animal Farm and saying "This doesn't make any sense, animals can't talk, and if they COULD talk, they STILL wouldn't act like that", and then driving that point into the ground. In magic systems, the details vary enormously, but a common set-up is that performing a spell correctly is something like invoking a complicated one-line perl program: incomprehensibly powerful if you don't know the rules, but amenable to a mixture of hard work and aptitude. Now, this is a good metaphor, but not a perfect metaphor, and it's perfectly possible to critique it. But I think everyone understands instinctively, even if they can't articulate it, that examining the exact correspondence between magic words and results won't hold up, and driving that into the ground is funny and may make a good point about how science works but is a dead end when criticising the world-building.

Also, some of the pop culture references, while nice, are a bit forced.
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To what extent do you think authors interpretations of their own works relevent? Do authorial statements count as canon (facts within the work). Unsurprisingly, I'm going to take a middle line.

I think the authors conceptions when writing the book are relevant, and probably count as canon. If they intended so-and-so to have this reason for doing things, it's polite and probably most accurate and informative to think so when you read it. Things will probably make most sense when you assume this background.

But that what they say doesn't *necessarily* reflect what they were thinking. As annoying as it is for an author to be deconstructed, sometimes the right interpretations may lie in assumptions never consciously adopted (eg. the author's morality informs the book's morality), or conceptions at the time later changed (eg. uh, no, the Ender's Shadow prequels were totally canon, honest), or even, potentially, things the author deliberately lies about (eg. no, no, I'm not misogynist and racist, it's art).

Of course, there's still room to interpret the book in different ways -- people do this even when something's clear from the book itself as well as authorial pronouncements.

For that matter, much the same argument applies to small points of continuity (here you said "three days", but there you said...) as large background motivations (so, all the way through, there's this unrequited...) Sometime it's best for the author to just come clean and say "whoops, it doesn't work, just pretend it does, ok?". That's not wonderful, but mistakes happens, and it's better than trying to patch it up later in even more confusing ways.

Of course, this leads to the unpalatable conclusion that consistency may not be the be all and end all of fiction sometimes consistency has to be set aside. If the author intends so-and-so to have this motivation, but half the time forgets and gives them that motivation instead, and then admits it when we deconstruct the book -- you may find both intertwined halves of the book are great with the motivation intended at the time, but there's no consistent interpretation that makes sense all the way through.

Do you have to accept an author's pronouncements? I don't think so. They probably (assuming you decide they're accurate) represent an improvement, but if the book is what you have the book is what you read.
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I work through every incident I can find. The conclusion is at the end. Both major theories seem plausible, only one piece of evidence really leans, though there are several important gaps to be filled.

Spoilers 1-6 )

I'll do a follow-up about which I think is *narratively* most likely.
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I even did leave the review written for a couple of days in case I thought of something else, but only now did it occur to me.

* Tennant was great. I don't know if he can do a good guy, but I'll give Doctor Who a shot.
* I loved the Sirius-in-the-fire effect, though it was different to how I imagined it.
* I loved McGonnagal dancing.

And a couple of responses[1].

* Several people said they liked how Voldemort looked, but I still didn't.

He was cool and creepy.
WTF? Why am I scared of a badly made auton?
Comments:

* Did anyone else not read the book? I don't think anything in the film had necessary priors left out, but I would have thought there would be dangling things. Note, eviscerated isn't a critisicm necessarily, I know it was necessary. But things like Rita Skeeta might have been odd when she's just there, but never in the plot.

[1] LJ is not the medium for this.
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* Millions of homages: 2001, water world, starwars.
* I liked the level of humour.
* Sometimes the whole audience giggled at the slashy bits. Some amusing sexual references were deliberate, some were just us (Ferret/Crabbe!), some were ambiguous -- Cedric asking Harry to have a bath.
* I thought people must be exagerating when they said this, but the plot was eviscerated. The core plot was there, and indeed I liked a lot of the little changes they made to make it more obvious; indeed, when you see wormtail, I thought that was alastor, which would be a large change, but possibly a decent one.
* However, most everything else was cut. It wouldn't make much sense to someone who hadn't read the book. Some characters were gone, poof, and some, eg. Rita, were barely there. The number introduced in the first few minutes would be bewildering enough.
* A lot of the casting -- Amos Diggory, Alastor Moody, Barty Crouch Sr -- seemed a bit more laughable than I had imagined them, though all were reasonable.
* Krum was quite good. I imagined him more brooding and less arrogant than he looked, but he was great in the quiddich match. I'm not sure about him and hermione, though; though I know some people with much more of an age gap than that.
* Cedric was ok. Sometimes he seemed fine, but a lot of the time he seemed more "dumb rich pretty (and knows it) nice oaf" than the "hardworking dim pretty (but doesn't know it) nice oaf" I thought.
* Again I assumed the trailer was misleading wrt the sexes of the foreign students, but no; it seemed the film did intend Beauxbaton to be female and Durmstrang to be male. I admit it made for a pretty scene where they were introduced, but it seems like an odd choice.
* The action was all pretty well done. Though they could have showed any of the quiddich, and maybe the other champion's fights.
* Some of the children's interactions seemed very Biker Grove, other soap, or Enid Blyton :)
* Voldemort looked really stupid imho.
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I enjoyed it. But I can never tell how good overall a book is on first reading, because I love it (or occasionally hate it) and don't see the other side. However, I did manage to sleep in the middle, giving me a chance to mull over what was going on. Now follow some impressions.

Massive spoilers of doom, not that anyone will care and not have read it. )