This is a brief retelling of a story from the Talmud. [ie. Longer than the original story, but shorter than everything everyone has written about it in the 2000 years since.] However, the story is quite notable, so what I say is almost certain to need significant annotation by people in the comments, as you can read into the story significant generalisations about theology, and not all of the ones I suggest will probably be able to be accurate. It goes roughly like this.
R. Eliezer: *is da man*
R. Eliezer: *is generally accepted as one of the wisest, or THE wisest sage of his time*
R. Eliezer: *has a deep understanding of the universe and the law, which will later be demonstrated by invoking several miracles in order to make his point*
R. Eliezer: You know the bit with the oven of Acknai, where people argue whether [breaking it apart and gluing it back together again] [makes it an object still subject to ritual impurity]? Well, I've been thinking about it, and I'm pretty sure God's law implies that it does and I know what I'm talking about.
Everyone else: Nuh-uh!
R. Eliezer: Yuh-uh!
Everyone: [Retread of long argument, not recorded in this point in the Mishnah]
R. Eliezer: OK, this is rhetorically dodgy, but pretend there's a connection between the fact that I can do miracles and the fact I know what I'm talking about.
Water: *flows upstream*
Everyone else: Hmmm.... But honestly, although you're very wise (and you really ARE) we still think you're wrong about the stupid oven.
Everyone else: See, The Big Guy was pretty clear. He gave us the law. We interpret it according to set traditions. NOT according to whoever can make water flow upstream. Else chaos would ensue! We voted. You lost. STOP GOING ON ABOUT IT!
R. Eliezer: *makes the wall fall down with magic*
R. Joshua: *makes the wall stop falling down with magic*
Walls: *stay in crazy lean*
R. Eliezer: OK, OK, look. (Puts on big voice) If I'm right, let a sign from heaven show it!
Big boomy voice from The Big Guy out of heaven: DUDES, HE'S TOTALLY RIGHT. WHAT HE SAYS IS WHAT I MEANT BY THE LAW ALL ALONG. [1]
Everyone else: Nuh-uh. You gave us the law, and you told us quite explicitly how to interpret it according to the accepted majority opinion. It's RIGHT THERE in the bible. You can't go and take it back now or no-one would do anything in case You came and told them something different five minutes later.[1]
R. Eliezer: *grump* *grump* *is a sore loser.
[1] I am not making this up.
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R. Eliezer: *is da man*
R. Eliezer: *is generally accepted as one of the wisest, or THE wisest sage of his time*
R. Eliezer: *has a deep understanding of the universe and the law, which will later be demonstrated by invoking several miracles in order to make his point*
R. Eliezer: You know the bit with the oven of Acknai, where people argue whether [breaking it apart and gluing it back together again] [makes it an object still subject to ritual impurity]? Well, I've been thinking about it, and I'm pretty sure God's law implies that it does and I know what I'm talking about.
Everyone else: Nuh-uh!
R. Eliezer: Yuh-uh!
Everyone: [Retread of long argument, not recorded in this point in the Mishnah]
R. Eliezer: OK, this is rhetorically dodgy, but pretend there's a connection between the fact that I can do miracles and the fact I know what I'm talking about.
Water: *flows upstream*
Everyone else: Hmmm.... But honestly, although you're very wise (and you really ARE) we still think you're wrong about the stupid oven.
Everyone else: See, The Big Guy was pretty clear. He gave us the law. We interpret it according to set traditions. NOT according to whoever can make water flow upstream. Else chaos would ensue! We voted. You lost. STOP GOING ON ABOUT IT!
R. Eliezer: *makes the wall fall down with magic*
R. Joshua: *makes the wall stop falling down with magic*
Walls: *stay in crazy lean*
R. Eliezer: OK, OK, look. (Puts on big voice) If I'm right, let a sign from heaven show it!
Big boomy voice from The Big Guy out of heaven: DUDES, HE'S TOTALLY RIGHT. WHAT HE SAYS IS WHAT I MEANT BY THE LAW ALL ALONG. [1]
Everyone else: Nuh-uh. You gave us the law, and you told us quite explicitly how to interpret it according to the accepted majority opinion. It's RIGHT THERE in the bible. You can't go and take it back now or no-one would do anything in case You came and told them something different five minutes later.[1]
R. Eliezer: *grump* *grump* *is a sore loser.
[1] I am not making this up.
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