jack

what's a social equality?

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I don't know if it's the sort of noun that admits an "a", nor what that's called, but I think it means than we shouldn't make fun of women or men for not being married, nor for playing violent sports, nor for flower-arranging, and so on.

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nor what that's called

social equality, silly!

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emperor

Just do LJ polls, dammit.

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yrieithydd.livejournal.com

He can't. He hasn't a paid account!

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captain-aj.livejournal.com

Maybe if enough people complain, they'll all club together to buy him a paid account ;-)

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Why do you care[1]?

[1] Seriously. That's not sarcasm. Well, not much :)

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because we want to see the pretty bars once we've voted :D

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emperor

i) theres a broken image attached to this poll
ii) the interface is less good - no convenient "see who voted for what" options
iii) you can't actually see the results once you've voted - with a decent poll, I can come back to my friends page and see how the vote is doing

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you can't actually see the results once you've voted

you can go and read http://semichrome.net/~jack/poll/submit.txt if you're desperate ;)

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Fair enough. That is unfortunate, apologies.

Partly I haven't got round to it. Partly if I make a nice poll engine, I can share it with people who can't afford paid space, or posts in other media.

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enismirdal.livejournal.com

I guess it depends on the person really.

I find a lot of feminism really offensive. Sort of "I'm so empowered that I need to use words like 'wi'myn' and 'herstory' instead of the regular ones everyone else uses" - those types of loonies get on my nerves. It's like, I really really don't like a lot of these "women in sciences" kinds of conferences/mentoring schemes/training courses, as they imply women need some kind of special treatment/bribery/mothering in order to get anywhere in life. Giving women that kind of idea is as much of a problem as any other source of "oppression" in many ways.

The best kind of feminism, in my opinion, is just to get on with one's life and have a good time, whilst co-incidentally being female. I am a scientist first and a woman second, as far as careers and so on go.

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sillytrippy.livejournal.com

'herstory' I get, but what is 'wi'myn'?

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"women" without the "men", I always thought. At least *those* words *are* related.

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enismirdal.livejournal.com

I seem to recall it's a version of "women" that isn't just a "derivative" of "men" (regardless of the fact that woman is from Old English wifmann, back in the day when "mann" just meant a human being). It's allegedly short of "we-moon" or "we of the moon". Ewww, anyone?

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I can see what the point of such things might have been. It's a good way of drawing attention to your cause and rebelling against society.

Now it seems very counterproductive, and living well yourself and combatting specific prejudices when you find them seems a better way to further equality.

(It has echos of the racist cry being raised whenever anyone says 'niggardly', which is like the "feminism" word debate, but backwards, in some ways :))

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wombyn is a similarly made up word based on womb rather than moon and of course strictly not to be rhymed with combine (harvester, not the verb). Anyone who thinks I'm making it up is invitited to google it...

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enismirdal.livejournal.com

I am now acutely embarrassed by my reproductive organs...

*pets wombyn on head and tells them to get out more*

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rhymed with combine (harvester, not the verb)

Eh?

Surely if it rhymes with combine as in combine harvester, it rhymes with combine as in the verb, as they're pronounced the same (or at least they certainly are when I say either of them)...

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When I say it:

"combine harvesters" = put two harvesters together

"combine harvesters" = several items of agricultural machinery

The stress is softer in the second as well as in a different place.

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fairy snuff

would personally pronounce them the same, ie same word different context.

ie your combine harvester is a result of when you combine harvesters

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then again...

it is a legal requirement to pronounce "combine harvester" in a west country accent

and not being from thw West country, I generally don't have a west country accent so wouldn't pronounce combine in one

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Where do you put the stress, then?

(It's also a noun, e.g. business combine; in that case I pronounce it the same as the adjectival form, combine.

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combine

then again some people have told me I have an odd accent, but the on other hand others have told me I haven't got any at all...

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rochvelleth.livejournal.com

Why can't I see the results? I want to know if I'm the only person who voted for only the second option!

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Sorry. Um, until recently, you would have been, but apparently evening LJers tend more towards "the dictionary is out of date" than the afternooners. We seem genuinely divided.

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Loonies are just loonies, but quite a few otherwise-sensible people come out with things like "I don't consider myself a feminist|like feminism because <loonies>". There's several mistakes that I suppose might lead to this: for instance listening to the loud to the exclusion of the sensible; attempting to shift blame for own opinions onto loonies; misanalysis of society.

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Yes, exactly. Though according to some people, the shift has occured to the point where loonies officially do characterise feminism.

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Right, those are the otherwise-sensible people. Err, at least the otherwise sensible ones are the otherwise-sensible people, IYSWIM.

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