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On the way back I went to Heffer's Arts. That was very nice, it had the feeling of coming home that other specialist shops and libraries often have.

Everything has little pads of paper you can try a pen on. I'm glad to see I wasn't just imagining that custom -- I remember buying a pen somewhere like Smiths once, and being looked at as if I was insane when I asked if I could see it write. Always or never doing so makes sense, but at least it wasn't only in my head.

It's also useful the other way round. I'm sure you remember my classic anecdote of looking for seating objects for the Veizla, going into a shop and saying:

Me: Hi! Excuse me, do you have about thirty, all about this big, each a different design?
Them: Have about thirty what?
Me: Yes, exactly.

Here it's a lot easier. Just, "Excuse me," point to a clef drawn on the pad, "I want one that draws like that."

In fact, many of the doodles were very nicely done, I feel out of place :)

In the end, I got a calligraphic marker, which I think does what I wanted, though I find something else would be more appropriate later. I considred brush pens, and they're definitely a superior product for drawing overall, but a little delicate and wet for my feeling right now. I almost looked for some colours too, but decided I didn't want to go overboard, I could barely draw proportions, I don't know if I want to venture into the murky waters of shading :)

Date: 2007-09-28 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
I wonder if you'd have fun with the funky felt tips Sebby uses?

Date: 2007-09-28 01:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Ooh, you have an art icon. Where does that come from?

I wonder if you'd have fun with the funky felt tips Sebby uses?

Oh, maybe. Is that what he had at the Veizla? I remember starting drawing some sketches at some point in the evening, and later on started getting them back, enlarged, coloured in, and generally professional :) I've got my menu with his alien thing drawn on in my memorabilia folder somewhere, I should have a look.

Date: 2007-09-28 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
Sebby drew it with his funky pens ;-) Although it was inspired by one of RJKs Viezla pictures.

This one I drew all by myself :-)

I get the impression from chatting to Sebby that his pens are Not-Cheap, but make everything look nicer than you expect it to.

Date: 2007-09-28 03:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
They're both nice! I thought the first looked slightly familiar. Is it online large anywhere? It looks more nuanced than I thought the pens were (or than I could manage by myself :)).

I like the fox, too. It's simple but expressive -- it would fit really was an illustration for my "How the Kitten Became" or something, though that fox was beautiful, but more cunning than relaxed :)

Date: 2007-09-28 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I get the impression from chatting to Sebby that his pens are Not-Cheap, but make everything look nicer than you expect it to.

:)

Could be. Theoretically that shouldn't make a difference to me -- either I get into it, and then it's worth it, or I don't, in which case it's a random one-off. But I'll start little and see if I get anywhere. I'm tempted to skip the party tonight, but I think I need the socialising, I can code and draw on sun.

Date: 2007-09-28 02:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] atreic.livejournal.com
I wonder why I never use any of my "extra" icons usually?

Date: 2007-09-28 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I don't know. I think normally people get a collection of really nice icons, but it's not clear exactly what they're appropriate for. It means they don't get used all the time, but it's really nice when you have a surprisingly appropriate icon appear somewhere :)

Date: 2007-09-28 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
I'm sure you remember my classic anecdote

I don't. What were you looking for thirty of?

Date: 2007-09-28 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Exactly :) That is, have you gone to veizlas? A seating puzzle became traditional, in the last two years reaching a zenith/nadir[1] of complexity with everyone being given an object, and clues to the objects of people sitting next to them.

(I liked mine because there were four round tables, so you can work out a circle of people sitting round your table, but still choose which table and what angle to sit them all at :) Though in fact I gave people a get out, seating plans.)

Clare's year they were little wooden blocks from an Earling Learning alphabet abacus, each block having a letter, a colourful picture (and a hole through).

On my year, I wasn't sure what to use, so I went shopping -- looking for thirty such objects, but not sure *what* objects. In the end, I went for Gothic Tarot Cards. (There are still a few royals/major arcana left, if you want one for memorabilia -- I've handed out some of the remainder to people since, but kept thirteen cards in each suit so they've become a functioning deck of cards :))

[1] Is there an Arabic astronomological word that means "turning point" without connotations of minimum or maximum? :)

Date: 2007-09-28 03:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simont
I see. I think :-)

No, I've never been to a Veizla; my association with CUSFS has been limited to attending informal free-for-all events such as the Wake, and exchanging books with the Library. I believe I'm currently not even a member (my most recent period of membership in exchange for dumping my unwanted books on [livejournal.com profile] ceb has expired), and in any case my general aversion to dressing up would be sufficient to put me off Veizlas even if my dietary requirements weren't already enough of a pain...

I think you mean "extremum" rather than "turning point", since the former lacks the connotation of differentiability :-)

Date: 2007-10-01 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I think you mean "extremum" rather than "turning point", since the former lacks the connotation of differentiability :-)

:) Mutter, grumble, *concedes unnecessity of differentiability of complexity*

On the other hand, I think zenith and nadir might have connotations of continuity, and possibly even differentiability, whereas "extremum"[1] applies in those cases, but suggests cases that *aren't* continuous. I don't just mean that last year was disproportionately complex but that:

* The complexity had been building up for a time
* And now had decayed sharply
* And implicitly, evolved over time

That strongly suggests something like a differential equation. As does the comparison to orbits. In which case, differentiability would be right.

Or at least, it might be at least as correct to mean "differentiability" with "turning point" as to suggest denying continuity with "extremeum"

Sorry, I felt obliged to defend my choice, even though I didn't choose it carefully at the time :)

[1] Extremum certainly applies to any function, but in colloquial usage is used more often when a more specific term like maximum (of a set), or maximum point (of a smooth function) doesn't apply.