Revenge in a suitably amusing voice
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jackIt was way cool. But otoh I always think that just after a starwars film, and only later decide what niggled me about it. Anyway, now a series of impressions, most things I objected to, though there were much fewer of these than in the other films.
Many light-sabre duels were very very cool. I did like general greivous with his four, indeed I liked him generally. On the other hand some of it seemed a bit tacked on, mostly because almost every time you know how it's going to end. I liked Dooku, it's a shame he was toast so quickly, and it seems a bit of a waste (couldn't Palpitane have found some other underling to be killed by Anikin?), but you know he was going to die. You know Obi Wan was going beat Grevious. You know Kingsley Shacklebolt was going to be toast one way or another. And at the end you know niether duel is going to won decisively, however impressive lava is. Knowing how things end *can* be great tragedy, but it didn't quite work here.
"I *am* the senate" -- nice reference to the sun king.
For god's sake, "Ani" is such a freacking sickening nickname.
When yoda and obi wan investigated the temple I was pleased that they looked at the security vids, I was terrified they were going to run to Anikin and say "OMG they is teh dead SOS," though I'm not sure why it showed them Vader kneeling to the emporer -- didn't that happen in his office?
The dialogue wasn't great, but there wasn't as much of it as the last film, and didn't really bother me.
When they lowered the mask on to Vader's face I nearly cried.
A few questions. Why didn't Obi and Yoda tackle Siddious together? Surely that'd give them a better chance? The clones did a decent job of eliminating the jedi, except for yoda, where two of them wandered up to teh greatest jedi ever and stood very close to him before raising their guns slowly surrounded by his wookie friends. Everyone makes a big deal of how important Vader is, but in New Hope wasn't governor someone holding him on a leash?
Update: And the science didn't make any sense. The science *never* makes any sense. It didn't cause any major plot holes[1] that I noticed, so I let it slide.
Except them not knowing about caesarean sections. But that's not a problem with the tech they have, but with what they don't have. Area-affect weapons would also be good things to use against jedi, but no doubt they have magic immunity to that.
Many light-sabre duels were very very cool. I did like general greivous with his four, indeed I liked him generally. On the other hand some of it seemed a bit tacked on, mostly because almost every time you know how it's going to end. I liked Dooku, it's a shame he was toast so quickly, and it seems a bit of a waste (couldn't Palpitane have found some other underling to be killed by Anikin?), but you know he was going to die. You know Obi Wan was going beat Grevious. You know Kingsley Shacklebolt was going to be toast one way or another. And at the end you know niether duel is going to won decisively, however impressive lava is. Knowing how things end *can* be great tragedy, but it didn't quite work here.
"I *am* the senate" -- nice reference to the sun king.
For god's sake, "Ani" is such a freacking sickening nickname.
When yoda and obi wan investigated the temple I was pleased that they looked at the security vids, I was terrified they were going to run to Anikin and say "OMG they is teh dead SOS," though I'm not sure why it showed them Vader kneeling to the emporer -- didn't that happen in his office?
The dialogue wasn't great, but there wasn't as much of it as the last film, and didn't really bother me.
When they lowered the mask on to Vader's face I nearly cried.
A few questions. Why didn't Obi and Yoda tackle Siddious together? Surely that'd give them a better chance? The clones did a decent job of eliminating the jedi, except for yoda, where two of them wandered up to teh greatest jedi ever and stood very close to him before raising their guns slowly surrounded by his wookie friends. Everyone makes a big deal of how important Vader is, but in New Hope wasn't governor someone holding him on a leash?
Update: And the science didn't make any sense. The science *never* makes any sense. It didn't cause any major plot holes[1] that I noticed, so I let it slide.
Except them not knowing about caesarean sections. But that's not a problem with the tech they have, but with what they don't have. Area-affect weapons would also be good things to use against jedi, but no doubt they have magic immunity to that.
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Date: 2005-05-23 01:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-05-23 05:15 pm (UTC)You mean Grand Moff Tarkin? (Peter Cuching!) Just being Darth Vader doesn't beat the bureaucracy, you know ;)
"Ani" is such a freacking sickening nickname
Oh yes, God yes.
Except them not knowing about caesarean sections...
Speaking of which, is it me, or was Padme's bump way too small considering she was carrying twins *and* they looked normal newborn baby size?
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So, do you mean you liked it? :)
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Date: 2005-05-23 05:16 pm (UTC)I think so... :)
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Date: 2005-05-23 10:07 pm (UTC)Must figure out how do do that "quote in italics" thing. Ah well , in order:
Dooku was toast as it was an Sith apprentice v. apprentice match. Notice how the scene matches the Luke/Vader fight setting in Return. There are only two Sith, so if Sidious wants his shiny new apprentice he has to sacrifice the other. Knowing this, Dooku was dumb enough to believe Sidious when he told him he'd stop the fight if D was in any real danger. D'oh.
Indeed, Ani make me think of small, red-headed orphans. and singing.
Vader did indeed kneel to Palpatine in his office, but the Emperor came to the Jedi temple (presumably to activate the beacon/nick the Jedi Holocrons) and the shot was of Anakin kneeling to him there. I hope they took all the kneeling he's going to be doing into account when designing Vader's kneepads.
As Sidious took out Mace, Kit and co together, Yoda presumably thinks that Obi-wan has a better chance to take out/turn back Vader than of being much help againt the Emperor. Yoda says something in the book about that separately they may "create a chance". Maybe the "force prompted him" in order to save the twins, creating a chance to beat the Sith later. If in doubt, apply "Standard Star Wars Plot Loop Hole Closer Number 1".
The clones also killed the other Jedi on-planet first, meaning even if Yoda hadn't sensed all the other's, he was still forewarned. You'd have thought Sidious might have told them to get the short green one first, but maybe he wanted Yoda to see his order destroyed.
You can see Tarkin on the bridge of the Star Destroyer at the end, with the Emperor and Vader. Leia makes a comment about him "Holding Vader's leash" but, in a classic bit of bad dialog, she also says she "recognised his foul stench" when she was brought on board (recently replaced as my favourite bad line by the whole "..it will take us to a place we cannot go" thing). He might be a Governor but I have a feeling he'd start developing breathing problems if he tried 'leashing' Vader.
I beileve in the novelisation Padme make's similar comments about how unlikely she is to die in childbirth. And any normal person trying to avoid his dreams might have stayed with her continuously/suggested an early C-section/performed one himself with a lightsabre or many things other than slaughter a load of Jedi younglings. May be Sidious was messing with his mind, he was supposed to be sleep deprived too. As with any tragedy when you *know* it's going to end badly (except for Troy, where apparently they all escaped through the tunnels) there are a million little (and some huge and blatantly obvious) things which could prevent it and you spend the film watching none of them happen.
By the way, you do realise it's all Mace's fault, right?
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Date: 2005-05-24 11:56 am (UTC)Must figure out how do do that "quote in italics" thing.
Well, I generally do it the same way I do any <i>italics</i>, like that. Is that what you mean? Of course, when you reply to every paragraph it doesn't matter :)
the shot was of Anakin kneeling to him there
Fair enough.
I hope they took all the kneeling he's going to be doing into account when designing Vader's kneepads.
Oo-er.
If in doubt, apply "Standard Star Wars Plot Loop Hole Closer Number 1".
ROFL. But surely attacking a jedi at two points more than a light-sabre reach apart simultaneously should be a winning strategy? The aforementioned big fucking ass bomb would also do this admirably quite automatically. But I accept it's, like, fate that they do it the way they did.
Prophecies are generally a sure-fire loop hole closer. Jordon did quite well with his prophecies relating to the Andor royal family, but "You must foo without telling anyone or the Sith will win" is always possible provided they do foo and the sith don't.
The clones also killed the other Jedi on-planet first, meaning even if Yoda hadn't sensed all the other's, he was still forewarned.
Did they? I know that's the order they were shown in but I, probably over-optimistically, assumed they'd be as simultaneous as possible. And whether he's forwarned or not going and bending over him as stupid as the guy doing that in alien. Hey, I suddenly discovered what race yoda is! :)
He might be a Governor but I have a feeling he'd start developing breathing problems if he tried 'leashing' Vader.
I googled this a bit and it seems to be mainly an anomoly. Either the emporer told Vader to listen to Tarkin because Tarkin was slightly less batshit insane, if less compassionate in the end, or Vader was sent to look after Tarkin and make sure he didn't get carried away with this blowing up planets thing, the death star being the ultimatest big ass sith-killing bomb except perhaps the darkvoid device, which was in a different fandom.
By the way, you do realise it's all Mace's fault, right?
It's supposed to be Jar-Jar's fault. He didn't do anything, and he *so* didn't die horribly :( Neither did the orange guy :(
Besides, if Shacklebolt hadn't tried and failed to kill the emporer, um, maybe he'd have taken over anyway without Ani.
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Date: 2005-05-24 12:01 pm (UTC)I actually looked into this, and maybe. But while beaurocracy normally wins out through red tape if nothing else Vader can kill people at kill, and *is* riding the death star... :)
Speaking of which, is it me, or was Padme's bump way too small considering she was carrying twins *and* they looked normal newborn baby size?
I had the impression there was a gap between her last scene and her birthing. But now I think I might be wrong...
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Date: 2005-05-24 05:28 pm (UTC)I meant while she was lying on the table.
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Date: 2005-05-25 11:34 am (UTC)no subject
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